On Aug 29, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Fabrizio Giudici wrote:
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> On 8/29/10 16:18 , Casper Bang wrote:
>>> Whether we like it or not, Java is now owned by Oracle and we
>>> better get used to the idea if we still want to use it...
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>> Whether we like it or not, most of the interesting stuff around
>> "Java" is NOT coming from Sun/Oracle... unfortunately it hasn't for
>> a long
> ... but for Java itself. Figure out how Spring or anything else could
> have had success if a solid, widespread and working platform hadn't be
> there. Without Sun we'd be programming on Microsoft stuff, or C#, or
> another bunch of platforms. Instead of building an extremely rich
> ecosystem (most of the interesting stuff is written in Java) we would
> be dispersed in different communities, the Microsoft one being the
> largest one.
C# wouldn't exists without Java. C# is an MS response to Java. We'd be
programming in VB and ASP.
>> time now. Immature or not, I believe they had little choice in the
>> matter; JavaOne is first and foremost a trade show pushing
>> Oracle's agenda ("Look at JavaFX, isn't it pretty..."). As Oracle
>> decided
> Sorry, but this is nonsense.
Not so, it is a trade show pushing Oracle's agenda and what a better way to do
it than to have others do it for you. Sun and Oracle both limit the number of
sessions that they present at. I can tell you that for the core track, it was a
PITA to have an imposed quota places on us as we cut some Oracle/Sun talks that
were much better than the ones submitted by other vendors. Of course that
picture changes in other tracks.
>> Google is hurtful to this agenda, Google employees at an Oracle
>> sponsored event, would find themselves in a rather odd situation
>> don't you think? What else can Google do to protest,
This is a protest but it's also pushed by what you agree to when you agree to
speak at JavaONE. Oracle owns your talk and potentially any IP that is
contained within. Sun was agnostic about this however Oracle has made everyone
nervous. Hence Google pulls out.
Regards,
Kirk
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