On 10 May 2011, at 08:29, Jan Goyvaerts wrote: > What's really stupid - in my opinion - is that they "pass it to the > community", together with the originally disputed trademark and all.
Yeah, giving to the community is stupid and should be discouraged at all times ;) Seriously though, this is a) still a proposal and b) Oracle (and other interested parties) will still be contributing resources to the project IMHO (and speaking personally) the main reasons to move Eclipse are because they're a neutral foundation with a clear governance/dev process and lots of experience with managing IP. There have been several discussions on the mailing lists about these issues, and the Eclipse proposal is a good solution - they also have other projects at Eclipse, so it's familiar to them. > But not to the Jenkins guys. (Does anybody here knows why not by the way ?) Well I can think of one reason (but no idea if this is shared by Oracle or not) - Jenkins are still working out the details of their governance plan, so AFAIK there's no neutral foundation/organization to propose moving it to - I don't think it would be a good idea to suggest assigning rights to a single company or individual, otherwise we'd basically end up with the same issues that people were worried about to begin with. Note that the organization question is on the agenda of the next Jenkins governance meeting (11th May) https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Governance+Meeting+Agenda - and one of the listed organizations is EF (Eclipse Foundation) so hopefully we'll know more tomorrow. > As if this would be a childish attempt for revenge on Jenkins - confront > them with another open source project. There are plenty of competing open source projects at various organizations like Eclipse, Apache, etc. - including many that implement the same specification. Healthy competition can be a good thing for users, as long as standards (and unofficial standards) are respected to help people avoid getting locked in to a single solution. But then again, I wouldn't mind it if we could merge things back at a neutral place (like Eclipse). > But I'm probably seeing ghosts, right ? :-) > > On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 01:17, phil swenson <[email protected]> wrote: > Seems too late to me... I think Hudson is dying and by the time Oracle > makes their move it will be dead. > > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:30 AM, Fabrizio Giudici > <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 05/05/2011 03:18 PM, Kirk wrote: > >> > >> I'm just scratching my head trying to figure out why the Eclipse > >> Foundation would be considered a good landing spot for a project that is > >> very far away from all of the other projects there. The only thing I can > >> come up with is that they are hoping to piggyback on the success of the > >> Eclipse IDE. It all seems like a reaction to Jenkins. p > > > > I'd say: because Oracle wanted to involve a reputable and wide Java FLOSS > > organization. Apache Software Foundation probably is not in the best > > relationship with Oracle because of the Harmony thing... So, what's another > > choice? Too bad there's not a NetBeans Foundation... > > > > -- > > Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager > > Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." > > java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people > > [email protected] > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
