Oh man how soon the lessons of history are forgotten. In the shops I was in the 
mantra was, Smalltalk servers, Java front ends and who in their right mind 
would use C++ for any of this. I guess we all now know how that worked out ;-)

On 2012-06-24, at 8:15 AM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Jon Kiparsky <[email protected]> wrote:
> If you think the answer is anything but "utter failure", walk around your 
> office and count the Dvorak keyboards. 
> 
> Have you ever tried writing code with a Dvorak keyboard? It's an absolute 
> nightmare. No wonder Dvorak never made much inroads in the developer 
> community, it's far, far worse than a Qwerty keyboard.
>  
> Instead they innovated on making it a safe language for production systems
> 
> I think there's some revisionism lurking in that statement. Java didn't 
> become used in "production" systems for at least five years after it emerged. 
> Java was initially targeted at embedded systems and during its first years, 
> Java's killer app was applets.
> 
> Having said that, I certainly agree that the main reason for its success was 
> because it was a gentler, easier to program C++ and that most C++ developers 
> hated their life (I was one of those).
> 
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