To me this is another sign that Java needs a reboot. It seems like all the legacy and compatibility issues have become a really heavy burden to bear.
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Jan Goyvaerts <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Fabrizio Giudici > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:05:02 +0200, Martijn Verburg >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> A tough decision and yes a little disappointing, especially since it >>> would be very useful to have the JDK itself split up. However, given >>> the extra engineering and community effort to have jigsaw fully >>> supported by tools and containers, I think it was the right call, and >>> at least they let us know over a year out. >> >> >> Really, I don't know. As Jan said, the impact on the desktop side, for non >> industrial projects, is relevant. JavaFX 2 will stay mostly confined to the >> range of industrial apps. It's true that this final of the story has been >> already written in the past two years, but there could be still room for >> doing something. >> >> Given that, what's now really the meaning of jigsaw? Not useful on the >> server side, and I can say that industrial apps aren't affected by 20-30-40 >> MB more or less. > > > That's a way of looking at it. > > I'm more thinking about who will care about Jigsaw's release two years from > now. Personally (so this is *my* opinion) I see only two groups of people: > the embedded- and the desktop developers. For the former I wonder whether > the mainstream hardware won't allow to run a regular jvm by then. > > For the latter I wonder if that many will still ask for it by then. Yes, > JavaFX is able to do many wonderful things. But so is the HTML5/CSS3/JS > steamroller. Wonderful enough to be useful anyway. Not to mention what it'll > be able to do in another two years. Not that I'm pleased or enthusiastic > about HTML5 & co. But I admit having grossly underestimated its momentum, > support and consequences Java development. There is almost no reason anymore > to develop a (Java) client application. A modern web application looks as > cool as a desktop application, runs also full screen, runs also offline, > starts much faster and has virtually no system requirements and is easily > distributed. > > It would have been nice to have something light and kicking ass running the > next generation JDK8 applet in your browser. But who's still reading this > sentence when they read the word "applet" of the previous sentence ? :-) > >> >> >> >> -- >> Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager >> Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." >> [email protected] >> http://tidalwave.it - http://fabriziogiudici.it >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
