Reading the title makes me feel a tad better. I thought for a moment that Project Jigsaw was being abandoned altogether. This would be a shame given that I think that it is about more than just JavaFX and as said would be a step towards cleaning up the platform and being able to drop a lot of deprecated cruft eventually. This would be good for everyone surely, client, server and embedded?
On 17 July 2012 22:51, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> wrote: > Which is part of what Jigsaw, as I understand it, was supposed to address! > > Once we've got *versioned* modules, corba can go, and the old date/time > stuff, and methods using enumeration, and any other of the things that have > been long deprecated (or that should have been) > > This is a sad day, it's the one imminent feature in Java that was of real > benefit to the platform as a whole. What remains in the Java 8 spec that > isn't just about playing catch-up with Scala, Groovy, JRuby, Mirah, etc? > > > > On 17 July 2012 22:44, phil swenson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> To me this is another sign that Java needs a reboot. It seems like >> all the legacy and compatibility issues have become a really heavy >> burden to bear. >> >> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Jan Goyvaerts <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Fabrizio Giudici >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:05:02 +0200, Martijn Verburg >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> A tough decision and yes a little disappointing, especially since it >> >>> would be very useful to have the JDK itself split up. However, given >> >>> the extra engineering and community effort to have jigsaw fully >> >>> supported by tools and containers, I think it was the right call, and >> >>> at least they let us know over a year out. >> >> >> >> >> >> Really, I don't know. As Jan said, the impact on the desktop side, for >> non >> >> industrial projects, is relevant. JavaFX 2 will stay mostly confined >> to the >> >> range of industrial apps. It's true that this final of the story has >> been >> >> already written in the past two years, but there could be still room >> for >> >> doing something. >> >> >> >> Given that, what's now really the meaning of jigsaw? Not useful on the >> >> server side, and I can say that industrial apps aren't affected by >> 20-30-40 >> >> MB more or less. >> > >> > >> > That's a way of looking at it. >> > >> > I'm more thinking about who will care about Jigsaw's release two years >> from >> > now. Personally (so this is *my* opinion) I see only two groups of >> people: >> > the embedded- and the desktop developers. For the former I wonder >> whether >> > the mainstream hardware won't allow to run a regular jvm by then. >> > >> > For the latter I wonder if that many will still ask for it by then. Yes, >> > JavaFX is able to do many wonderful things. But so is the HTML5/CSS3/JS >> > steamroller. Wonderful enough to be useful anyway. Not to mention what >> it'll >> > be able to do in another two years. Not that I'm pleased or enthusiastic >> > about HTML5 & co. But I admit having grossly underestimated its >> momentum, >> > support and consequences Java development. There is almost no reason >> anymore >> > to develop a (Java) client application. A modern web application looks >> as >> > cool as a desktop application, runs also full screen, runs also offline, >> > starts much faster and has virtually no system requirements and is >> easily >> > distributed. >> > >> > It would have been nice to have something light and kicking ass running >> the >> > next generation JDK8 applet in your browser. But who's still reading >> this >> > sentence when they read the word "applet" of the previous sentence ? :-) >> > >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
