I don't understand how this responds to what I and others wrote. Like you, I 
use IE. Also, as I said, I don't use their accessibility page exactly for the 
reason you indicate: that such pages risk segregating visually impaired people. 
Often in such cases, information is inadvertently excluded that is available on 
the company's regular website. 

The fact is that Amazon's website is unusually accessible. Rather than write 
off an entire website as inaccessible when you may be having problems but other 
screenreader users aren't, contact Amazon and specify the exact problem. When 
I've done so with Amazon, I usually notice a fix in the days and weeks to come. 
I wish all webmasters were as responsive. We owe such companies respect.

I've never had to use Amazon's return page, so it may be something for Amazon 
to look into. If no one else on this list has a suggestion for you, go ahead 
and alert them. But if you attack them on the grounds that their website is 
generally inaccessible, you're doing both Amazon and many screenreader users an 
injustice.

-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 9:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com

First of all, I use Internet Explorer, I tried firefox once, but found that it 
introduced its own problems, so I went back to IE.

One common problem is buttons with no meaningful labels, just "button" 
or "submit query". When there's only one it's not much of a problem, but when 
you get three buttons next to each other all with the same useless label.

Today I had to return an item, I was able to get to the returns page, but could 
not check the check box for the item I was returning, nor could I get the drop 
down list of reasons for my return to work. In the end I had to call their 
customer service and get their help to submit the return request. This wasn't 
the first time I had to do this either, the first was several months ago and 
the problem persists, as does the unlabeled buttons problem which is well over 
a year old.

Honestly, I would think that it would be more efficient to use best practices 
for accessibility on their main site rather than to try to segregate screen 
reader user to an equally flawed and less functional site. It rather reminds me 
of how African Americans were treated in the early sixties and before, separate 
and unequal.

Cheers!



On 1/8/2017 7:17 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
> I want to explain. First, I don't use Amazon's accessible page. I agree with 
> you on that. I also realize the regular Amazon page is dense, which is 
> because it's packed with information. But navigating by h for heading and b 
> for button gets me to all the areas I usually want.
>
> I used to have difficulty when a page offered periodic shipments, as opposed 
> to a one-time purchase. However, Amazon seems to have fixed it. I brought it 
> to their attention many months ago, and I'm sure others did, too. It isn't 
> the only problem I've alerted them to that they've addressed.
>
> So, where are you finding problems?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] 
> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:49 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com
>
> Amazon is exceptionally accessible. What specific problems do you experience?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] 
> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 5:29 PM
> To: JAWS Users
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> Does anyone else here shop at amazon.com? I am frequently presented with 
> accessibility challenges on their main site and often find that their 
> supposedly screen reader optimized site suffers from the same accessibility 
> challenges, making it hardly worth bothering with.
>
> I'm asking hoping some people have found ways, or scripts, or other tools 
> that make amazon.com more accessible.
>
> I complain to them all the time about their accessibility problems and always 
> get some boiler plate response that they take accessibility of their site 
> seriously but nothing ever changes, or it just gets worse.
>
> Cheers!
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