Certification tests are important for corporates - they protect their investment in development by ensuring that if one companies vision (ie jboss/websphere etc) goes belly-up then switching to another server will provide the least set of headaches.
Tom Elrod wrote: > > IMHO, I don't know that passing the certification tests now would be of much > benefit to JBoss. The biggest drawback I can see is that with JBoss 4, we > will be moving people away from having to deal with all the extra API > non-sense that J2EE developers have to deal with today. Just write your > POJOs and we'll do the rest (persistence, caching, security, remoting, > etc.). If we get certified now, might be added pressure to make JBoss 4 > compliant as well, which I think would divert us from our current direction. > > If Sun would have made this offer a year ago, might of been worth pursuing. > > -Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of Dave > > Neuer > > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:16 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Jboss/David Vs. Sun/Goliath? > > > > > > --- Dain Sundstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 07:30 PM, Dave Neuer > > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- Dain Sundstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> The more tests we have the better we will be, but > > > I > > > >> doubt that sun will > > > >> let us check the TDK into CVS, so it will be > > > >> worthless to everyone but > > > >> the few JBoss employees that get access. > > > >> > > > >> -dain > > > > > > > > Is a condition of the TDK license that you can't > > > use > > > > the information about your source tree that it > > > reveals > > > > to improve the product? Does it specifically bar > > > you > > > > from writing JUnit test cases which test for a bug > > > > which just happens to be a bug regarding spec > > > > compliance? > > > > > > Got me. Where did you find the license to the J2EE > > > TDK license? > > > > > > -dain > > > > > > > I didn't, I was asking you ;-). > > > > Seriously, I can imagine Sun has got some onerous > > conditions in there compatabitliy test kit license. > > However, if JBoss can't pass the tests, it's because > > of "bugs" (i.e., missing features) in the code, and I > > can't imagine that even if the license for the test > > kit somehow prohibits you from sharing the kit itself > > or the results, it would also restrict you from fixing > > "bugs" in your source code, whatever those bugs might > > be. I mean, Sun's J2EE specs are public. It'd be tough > > for their lawyers to prove you fixed a bug or added a > > feature just because you ran the tests. > > > > But, to an extent it would be beside the point. I'm > > working now on a project to replace a Lotus > > Notes/Domino application and the management of the > > company brought me on because *they* chose JBoss to > > replace it, and I've taken the advanced training. They > > didn't seem to concerned about spec compliance. They > > care about performance, flexibility, and no $3000/CPU > > licensing. > > > > Spec compliance is valuable because it provides (in > > theory, at least) predictable behavior when you don't > > have the source of the application. > > > > When you've got the source, you don't need predictable > > behavior; everything is completely transparent. You > > can turn on source-level debugging and step through > > the code! Don't like how it does feature X? Fix it! > > > > Certified spec compliance for JBoss would be nice for > > one little extra marketing buzzword. But at this > > point, JBoss probably has enough momentum that spec > > compliance could be at most icing on the cake. You > > know for sure that if someone out there needs some > > in-spec feature that JBoss doesn't have bad enough, > > they'll send a patch to add it. > > > > Dave > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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