Jboss Remoting callbacks are in - I wil commit in the next day or so
when tom and I finish testing.

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Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:06 PM
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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26


I'm ok with JMS.  I didn't think you could rewrite in such short of
time. Especially with Remoting and AOP just now becoming stable.  I
think this email thread is good because it will allow us to determine
whether or not we can release.  I still think there is enough
functionality.

Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of 
> Nathan Phelps
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:48 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
>
>
>
> I agree that there is some great stuff in there already.  However, 
> being that the AOP transaction, security, remoting, etc. was only 
> recently released in its first iteration, and the fact that JBoss 
> remoting doesn't yet support true callbacks (Jeff says it is coming) 
> there is simply no way I can deliver the new JMS implementation BUILT 
> ON TOP of these services by May 5th!  And I'm going to be out 
> basically two weeks between now and then with customers as I know 
> others will be as well.
>
> Since the whole point of the JMS rewrite is to take advantage of the 
> core JBoss AOP services, I haven't really had that much time to do so 
> since the services have only recently been released.  Therefore, I 
> expect that a May 26th release will ONLY INCLUDE THE OLD JMS CODE 
> which is currently in HEAD.  It is the only option with a May 5th 
> deadline in my opinion.  If everyone is OK with this and we're 
> committed to that date, then I am must immediately shift my attention 
> from the development of the new code build on top of the AOP framework

> to the old code currently in HEAD to start working on ensuring JMS 1.1

> compliance, stability, etc. as well as applying the HTTP IL code
currently only in
> Branch_3_2 to HEAD.   Then, after the May 26th release, I'll continue
> working on the new JMS code which is build on top of the AOP 
> framework.
>
> Comments?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nathan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Bill Burke
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:22 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
>
> There's already a lot we can release.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Dain
> > Sundstrom
> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 4:01 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
> >
> >
> > I think you are delusional if you think JB4 will be ready for 
> > JavaOne.
> >
> > -dain
> >
> > On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 02:47 PM, marc fleury wrote:
> >
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > We are thinking a lot about the forthcoming JB4 release.  It is a
> truly
> > > exciting step for us as we believe we will bring a programming
> style,
> > > whose time has come, to a mass audience.
> > >
> > > AOP as Bill says is a clear wave for system level services on par
> with
> > > OOP.  On top of it and also as a proof of how powerful the 
> > > approach
> is
> > > we still develop a full J2EE server.  Meaning that you can choose 
> > > to live in the J2EE world work on JBoss J2EE and access all the 
> > > prepackaged AOP goodies as you have been doing since JBoss2.0.
> > >
> > > There seems to be a lot of fear at SUN from what I can tell in the

> > > press, that we will abandon J2EE.  We love J2EE. When really we 
> > > will support J2EE for the forthcoming future.  Never do we talk 
> > > about "abandoning" J2EE, we just let the user access core 
> > > functionality in
>
> > > the
> > > open server and think at the AOP level.  A more fundamental
> construct
> > > of
> > > the framework.
> > >
> > > The reason we are almost there is that it is also a very old 
> > > implementation in JBoss.  We have been doing it for a long time 
> > > but never talked/packaged it this way.  We make it easy for you to
> leverage
> > > the AOP layer. The implementation is old the way you interact with

> > > JBoss is new.  It can also be old if you decide to stay at the 
> > > J2EE level which will be fully supported.
> > >
> > > But you are now invited to roam in the core JBoss system, in fact
> you
> > > may find it very cozy as you port POJO based applications to 
> > > JBoss. There will be a stabilization period though.  We are making

> > > an aggressive push to release JB4 by JavaONE with all our 
> > > resources dedicated to implementing the final AOP system aspects 
> > > and porting
> some
> > > of the existing code to that.
> > >
> > > We're making an aggressive push to release JBoss 4.0 by JavaOne.
> We're
> > > targeting May 26th. That leaves us 2 month from now.
> > >
> > > I REPEAT TARGET FOR JBOSS4.0 DR1   **** MAY 26TH****
> > >
> > >
> > > To meet this aggressive deadline, we need to set some dates.  
> > > There will be a functionality freeze, Monday, May 5th.  All new 
> > > functionality commits after May 5th must be approved by either 
> > > Scott Stark, or
> Bill
> > > Burke.  We will not branch May 5th, but instead make the month of
> May,
> > > JBoss 4.0 stability en route to a Developpers Release 1 (DR1).
> > >
> > > Please think long and hard and fast about your modules.  Many of 
> > > you
>
> > > are
> > > involved in core modules that need to move fast in the coming 
> > > weeks. Don't be afraid to talk and say who needs help etc.
> > >
> > > PLgC
> > >
> > > marcf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Marc Fleury, Ph.D.
> > > President, Founder
> > > JBoss Group, LLC
> > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > >
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