Guess Jeff beat me to it ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom
> Elrod
> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:49 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss remoting callbacks [was JB4DR1 Deadline
> MAY 26]
> 
> 
> Jeff made the fix last night and I have not looked at the 
> code yet (he still
> has it local while we are testing that and some other fixes 
> out).  However,
> my understanding from Jeff is that the invoker client passes 
> its locator to
> the invoker server if it wishes to receive callbacks.  The 
> invoker server
> will then use that for establishing the connection back to 
> the client to
> send notifications (callbacks).
> 
> Given this, it will be pretty easy to make it so the calling 
> code can give
> the client invoker the locator to use for callbacks, which it 
> then gives the
> invoker server (and will use its own by default as is now).  
> I can put this
> in this weekend (if Jeff doesn't beat me to it).
> 
> It sounds like there won't be enough time to include JMS as one of the
> invoker transport before the deadline.  However, I would personally be
> interested in working with you on it.  Depending on how soon 
> you will have
> time to start on it, might be wise to make a branch just for the JMS
> transport, until JB4DR1.
> 
> -Tom
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > Nathan Phelps
> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:44 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
> >
> >
> > Did you guys end up doing it in such a way so that you can use one
> > protocol one way and another protocol the other way like you had
> > mentioned?
> >
> > Secondly, what is really going to be cool when we expose 
> this via AOP
> > remoting...  Bill, what are your plans for that?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Jeff
> > Haynie
> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:21 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
> >
> > Jboss Remoting callbacks are in - I wil commit in the next day or so
> > when tom and I finish testing.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Bill
> > Burke
> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:06 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
> >
> >
> > I'm ok with JMS.  I didn't think you could rewrite in such short of
> > time. Especially with Remoting and AOP just now becoming stable.  I
> > think this email thread is good because it will allow us to 
> determine
> > whether or not we can release.  I still think there is enough
> > functionality.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > > Nathan Phelps
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:48 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree that there is some great stuff in there already.  However,
> > > being that the AOP transaction, security, remoting, etc. was only
> > > recently released in its first iteration, and the fact that JBoss
> > > remoting doesn't yet support true callbacks (Jeff says it
> > is coming)
> > > there is simply no way I can deliver the new JMS
> > implementation BUILT
> > > ON TOP of these services by May 5th!  And I'm going to be out
> > > basically two weeks between now and then with customers as I know
> > > others will be as well.
> > >
> > > Since the whole point of the JMS rewrite is to take
> > advantage of the
> > > core JBoss AOP services, I haven't really had that much
> > time to do so
> > > since the services have only recently been released.  Therefore, I
> > > expect that a May 26th release will ONLY INCLUDE THE OLD JMS CODE
> > > which is currently in HEAD.  It is the only option with a May 5th
> > > deadline in my opinion.  If everyone is OK with this and we're
> > > committed to that date, then I am must immediately shift my
> > attention
> > > from the development of the new code build on top of the
> > AOP framework
> >
> > > to the old code currently in HEAD to start working on
> > ensuring JMS 1.1
> >
> > > compliance, stability, etc. as well as applying the HTTP IL code
> > currently only in
> > > Branch_3_2 to HEAD.   Then, after the May 26th release,
> > I'll continue
> > > working on the new JMS code which is build on top of the AOP
> > > framework.
> > >
> > > Comments?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Nathan
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of
> > > Bill Burke
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:22 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
> > >
> > > There's already a lot we can release.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > > Dain
> > > > Sundstrom
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 4:01 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think you are delusional if you think JB4 will be ready for
> > > > JavaOne.
> > > >
> > > > -dain
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 02:47 PM, marc fleury wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Guys,
> > > > >
> > > > > We are thinking a lot about the forthcoming JB4
> > release.  It is a
> > > truly
> > > > > exciting step for us as we believe we will bring a programming
> > > style,
> > > > > whose time has come, to a mass audience.
> > > > >
> > > > > AOP as Bill says is a clear wave for system level
> > services on par
> > > with
> > > > > OOP.  On top of it and also as a proof of how powerful the
> > > > > approach
> > > is
> > > > > we still develop a full J2EE server.  Meaning that you
> > can choose
> > > > > to live in the J2EE world work on JBoss J2EE and 
> access all the
> > > > > prepackaged AOP goodies as you have been doing since JBoss2.0.
> > > > >
> > > > > There seems to be a lot of fear at SUN from what I can
> > tell in the
> >
> > > > > press, that we will abandon J2EE.  We love J2EE. When 
> really we
> > > > > will support J2EE for the forthcoming future.  Never 
> do we talk
> > > > > about "abandoning" J2EE, we just let the user access core
> > > > > functionality in
> > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > open server and think at the AOP level.  A more fundamental
> > > construct
> > > > > of
> > > > > the framework.
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason we are almost there is that it is also a very old
> > > > > implementation in JBoss.  We have been doing it for a 
> long time
> > > > > but never talked/packaged it this way.  We make it easy
> > for you to
> > > leverage
> > > > > the AOP layer. The implementation is old the way you
> > interact with
> >
> > > > > JBoss is new.  It can also be old if you decide to stay at the
> > > > > J2EE level which will be fully supported.
> > > > >
> > > > > But you are now invited to roam in the core JBoss
> > system, in fact
> > > you
> > > > > may find it very cozy as you port POJO based applications to
> > > > > JBoss. There will be a stabilization period though.  We
> > are making
> >
> > > > > an aggressive push to release JB4 by JavaONE with all our
> > > > > resources dedicated to implementing the final AOP
> > system aspects
> > > > > and porting
> > > some
> > > > > of the existing code to that.
> > > > >
> > > > > We're making an aggressive push to release JBoss 4.0 
> by JavaOne.
> > > We're
> > > > > targeting May 26th. That leaves us 2 month from now.
> > > > >
> > > > > I REPEAT TARGET FOR JBOSS4.0 DR1   **** MAY 26TH****
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To meet this aggressive deadline, we need to set some dates.
> > > > > There will be a functionality freeze, Monday, May 
> 5th.  All new
> > > > > functionality commits after May 5th must be approved by either
> > > > > Scott Stark, or
> > > Bill
> > > > > Burke.  We will not branch May 5th, but instead make
> > the month of
> > > May,
> > > > > JBoss 4.0 stability en route to a Developpers Release 1 (DR1).
> > > > >
> > > > > Please think long and hard and fast about your modules.
> >  Many of
> > > > > you
> > >
> > > > > are
> > > > > involved in core modules that need to move fast in the coming
> > > > > weeks. Don't be afraid to talk and say who needs help etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > PLgC
> > > > >
> > > > > marcf
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Marc Fleury, Ph.D.
> > > > > President, Founder
> > > > > JBoss Group, LLC
> > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >
> > > > >
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