> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Nathan Phelps
> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss remoting callbacks [was JB4DR1 Deadline
> MAY 26]
>
>
> I question if A JMSServerInvocationHandler is even necessary (along with
> the JMS Subsystem) if Bill exposes the callbacks via the AOP remoting
> framework.  Frankly, I have the same thought about all the "subsystems"
> as I know EJB for instance will also being using the AOP framework and
> therefore the AOPServerInvocationHandler.  I know you guys have a JMX
> subsystem which you have used to implement JMX remoting, but if you
> decide to refactor that to use the AOP framework that subsystem wouldn't
> be necessary either as far as I understand it. What I'm getting at is
> that it is my understanding that the future of J2EE flavored services on
> JBoss will be built on top of the AOP framework, and therefore AOP
> remoting is going to be the only InvocationHandler used because it is
> what gives us the modern interceptor stack.
>
> Bill, am I correct?
>

I'm not sure yet.  I hope JMX and AOP and everybody else could use the same
Invocation object and Interceptor interfaces, but JMX may have other
requirements that require its own Handler.  Iteration will allow us to
explore the possibilities.

> Thanks,
>
> Nathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom
> Elrod
> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:05 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss remoting callbacks [was JB4DR1 Deadline
> MAY 26]
>
> Guess Jeff beat me to it ;)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom
> > Elrod
> > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:49 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss remoting callbacks [was JB4DR1 Deadline
> > MAY 26]
> >
> >
> > Jeff made the fix last night and I have not looked at the
> > code yet (he still
> > has it local while we are testing that and some other fixes
> > out).  However,
> > my understanding from Jeff is that the invoker client passes
> > its locator to
> > the invoker server if it wishes to receive callbacks.  The
> > invoker server
> > will then use that for establishing the connection back to
> > the client to
> > send notifications (callbacks).
> >
> > Given this, it will be pretty easy to make it so the calling
> > code can give
> > the client invoker the locator to use for callbacks, which it
> > then gives the
> > invoker server (and will use its own by default as is now).
> > I can put this
> > in this weekend (if Jeff doesn't beat me to it).
> >
> > It sounds like there won't be enough time to include JMS as one of the
> > invoker transport before the deadline.  However, I would personally be
> > interested in working with you on it.  Depending on how soon
> > you will have
> > time to start on it, might be wise to make a branch just for the JMS
> > transport, until JB4DR1.
> >
> > -Tom
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > > Nathan Phelps
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:44 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
> > >
> > >
> > > Did you guys end up doing it in such a way so that you can use one
> > > protocol one way and another protocol the other way like you had
> > > mentioned?
> > >
> > > Secondly, what is really going to be cool when we expose
> > this via AOP
> > > remoting...  Bill, what are your plans for that?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Nathan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > Behalf Of Jeff
> > > Haynie
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:21 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
> > >
> > > Jboss Remoting callbacks are in - I wil commit in the next day or so
> > > when tom and I finish testing.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > Behalf Of Bill
> > > Burke
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:06 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm ok with JMS.  I didn't think you could rewrite in such short of
> > > time. Especially with Remoting and AOP just now becoming stable.  I
> > > think this email thread is good because it will allow us to
> > determine
> > > whether or not we can release.  I still think there is enough
> > > functionality.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > > > Nathan Phelps
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:48 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree that there is some great stuff in there already.  However,
> > > > being that the AOP transaction, security, remoting, etc. was only
> > > > recently released in its first iteration, and the fact that JBoss
> > > > remoting doesn't yet support true callbacks (Jeff says it
> > > is coming)
> > > > there is simply no way I can deliver the new JMS
> > > implementation BUILT
> > > > ON TOP of these services by May 5th!  And I'm going to be out
> > > > basically two weeks between now and then with customers as I know
> > > > others will be as well.
> > > >
> > > > Since the whole point of the JMS rewrite is to take
> > > advantage of the
> > > > core JBoss AOP services, I haven't really had that much
> > > time to do so
> > > > since the services have only recently been released.  Therefore, I
> > > > expect that a May 26th release will ONLY INCLUDE THE OLD JMS CODE
> > > > which is currently in HEAD.  It is the only option with a May 5th
> > > > deadline in my opinion.  If everyone is OK with this and we're
> > > > committed to that date, then I am must immediately shift my
> > > attention
> > > > from the development of the new code build on top of the
> > > AOP framework
> > >
> > > > to the old code currently in HEAD to start working on
> > > ensuring JMS 1.1
> > >
> > > > compliance, stability, etc. as well as applying the HTTP IL code
> > > currently only in
> > > > Branch_3_2 to HEAD.   Then, after the May 26th release,
> > > I'll continue
> > > > working on the new JMS code which is build on top of the AOP
> > > > framework.
> > > >
> > > > Comments?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Nathan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of
> > > > Bill Burke
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:22 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
> > > >
> > > > There's already a lot we can release.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > > > Dain
> > > > > Sundstrom
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 4:01 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think you are delusional if you think JB4 will be ready for
> > > > > JavaOne.
> > > > >
> > > > > -dain
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 02:47 PM, marc fleury wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Guys,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are thinking a lot about the forthcoming JB4
> > > release.  It is a
> > > > truly
> > > > > > exciting step for us as we believe we will bring a programming
> > > > style,
> > > > > > whose time has come, to a mass audience.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > AOP as Bill says is a clear wave for system level
> > > services on par
> > > > with
> > > > > > OOP.  On top of it and also as a proof of how powerful the
> > > > > > approach
> > > > is
> > > > > > we still develop a full J2EE server.  Meaning that you
> > > can choose
> > > > > > to live in the J2EE world work on JBoss J2EE and
> > access all the
> > > > > > prepackaged AOP goodies as you have been doing since JBoss2.0.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There seems to be a lot of fear at SUN from what I can
> > > tell in the
> > >
> > > > > > press, that we will abandon J2EE.  We love J2EE. When
> > really we
> > > > > > will support J2EE for the forthcoming future.  Never
> > do we talk
> > > > > > about "abandoning" J2EE, we just let the user access core
> > > > > > functionality in
> > > >
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > open server and think at the AOP level.  A more fundamental
> > > > construct
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > the framework.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reason we are almost there is that it is also a very old
> > > > > > implementation in JBoss.  We have been doing it for a
> > long time
> > > > > > but never talked/packaged it this way.  We make it easy
> > > for you to
> > > > leverage
> > > > > > the AOP layer. The implementation is old the way you
> > > interact with
> > >
> > > > > > JBoss is new.  It can also be old if you decide to stay at the
> > > > > > J2EE level which will be fully supported.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But you are now invited to roam in the core JBoss
> > > system, in fact
> > > > you
> > > > > > may find it very cozy as you port POJO based applications to
> > > > > > JBoss. There will be a stabilization period though.  We
> > > are making
> > >
> > > > > > an aggressive push to release JB4 by JavaONE with all our
> > > > > > resources dedicated to implementing the final AOP
> > > system aspects
> > > > > > and porting
> > > > some
> > > > > > of the existing code to that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We're making an aggressive push to release JBoss 4.0
> > by JavaOne.
> > > > We're
> > > > > > targeting May 26th. That leaves us 2 month from now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I REPEAT TARGET FOR JBOSS4.0 DR1   **** MAY 26TH****
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To meet this aggressive deadline, we need to set some dates.
> > > > > > There will be a functionality freeze, Monday, May
> > 5th.  All new
> > > > > > functionality commits after May 5th must be approved by either
> > > > > > Scott Stark, or
> > > > Bill
> > > > > > Burke.  We will not branch May 5th, but instead make
> > > the month of
> > > > May,
> > > > > > JBoss 4.0 stability en route to a Developpers Release 1 (DR1).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please think long and hard and fast about your modules.
> > >  Many of
> > > > > > you
> > > >
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > involved in core modules that need to move fast in the coming
> > > > > > weeks. Don't be afraid to talk and say who needs help etc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PLgC
> > > > > >
> > > > > > marcf
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Marc Fleury, Ph.D.
> > > > > > President, Founder
> > > > > > JBoss Group, LLC
> > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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