On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Alex Karasulu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Alan D. Cabrera wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jul 11, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Jeremy Haile wrote: >>> >>> I do feel like we are spending undue amounts of time discussing a >>>> logging implementation, rather than addressing the serious holes in >>>> JSecurity's security implementation, unit tests, and documentation. >>>> >>>> In my opinion, those are much more worthy of heated debate and much more >>>> worthy of our time. Hence I think the faster we can get through the >>>> logging >>>> issue and on to important issues, the better. >>>> >>>> >>> I know what you mean but, this is the ASF way. Things need to be >>> discussed and a consensus reached. I know that it's agonizing for the >>> committers but this is what brings in the community participation, if they >>> feel that then can contribute. After all, this is why you've come here to >>> incubate at the ASF, no? >>> >> +1 to what Alan says. I >> >> mentioned a vote but if no consensus is reached, you will get -1, and this >> is certainly not what you want :) > > > Nothing wrong with a -1. No one should fear vetos. I view a veto as a > queue > Too many data structures: s/queue/cue/ My bad, Alex > telling us we need to talk before doing anything more. Just a flag for > me. I like to see a project exercise veto resolution in the incubator. > Just shows how well the project is doing. > > >> >> >> A vote is much more a way to state that the concensus has been reached. >> >> Last not least, we are all having strong positions, but it's more >> important to understand why others don't share them. Sometime its better to >> make compromises on small things than to stand on principles, for the good >> of the community. >> >> And as a touch of humor, as a friend told me once : "this is not because >> we disagree that you are right" :) >> > > hehehe - you mean that I'm always right! > > Alex > > -- > Microsoft gives you Windows, Linux gives you the whole house ... -- Microsoft gives you Windows, Linux gives you the whole house ...
