Fernando, I think we should move forward with a decision on this issue. Some things under consideration:
* Replace "Project Jupyter Team" by "Jupyter Contributors" in our copyright notice in files. * Move to an exact copy of the BSD license rather than one with subtle changes. Jason has proposed using the version of the BSD license from the OSI: https://opensource.org/ I think you should make the call so we can move forward with things (or not). If folks have concerns they have not voiced, please do so now :) Cheers, Brian On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 9:38:34 AM UTC-7, Evan Bolyen wrote: > > GitHub actually uses the Wikipedia-style template, so whenever you set an > automatic LICENSE it uses that (see here > <https://github.com/ebolyen/default-bsd-3-clause/blob/master/LICENSE>). > The page Fernando linked also states that the 3rd clause was changed, my > interpretation being that the "original" BSD-Modified/3-Clause was just the > omission of the 4th clause which made it incompatible with GPL. It does > look like the 3rd clause has since been revised, but I have no idea what > the legal implications are. > > -Evan > > On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 9:18:51 PM UTC-7, ellisonbg wrote: >> >> Thanks! >> >> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Jason Grout <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Makes sense. I've put in a PR to JupyterLab with this change so we can >> see >> > what it looks like: >> https://github.com/jupyter/jupyterlab/pull/543/files >> > >> > I also switched the clauses to use numbering, like on the >> opensource.org >> > website template. >> > >> > Jason >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 11:12 PM Brian Granger <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Jason Grout <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > For a specific project, say JupyterLab, should we "JupyterLab >> >> > contributors", >> >> > to indicate that those individuals who contributed to that specific >> >> > project >> >> > are the ones that hold copyright? Or should we give the generic >> "Project >> >> > Jupyter Contributors" >> >> >> >> Because people tend to move fluidly between different >> >> repos/subprojects, I would prefer the generic "Project Jupyter >> >> Contributors". Also this more easily covers situations where we >> >> re-organize code between repos/subprojects, as tends to happen >> >> sometimes... >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Also, FYI, the Wikipedia text has the place for 'copyright holders' >> as a >> >> > templated term, perhaps that's where we got the other text: >> >> > >> >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses#3-clause_license_.28.22Revised_BSD_License.22.2C_.22New_BSD_License.22.2C_or_.22Modified_BSD_License.22.29 >> >> >> > >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > >> >> > Jason >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 7:50 AM Damián Avila <[email protected]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> +1 to use the real BSD. >> >> >> >> >> >> >But if using the plural "Contributors" text is clearer than the >> >> >> > collective "Team", that's fine, too, and changes no meaning. >> >> >> >> >> >> +1 too. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2016-07-25 8:40 GMT-03:00 MinRK <[email protected]>: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> +1 to the change. Not quite sure how we drifted there, but it may >> well >> >> >>> have been my doing during the split. We have defined in our >> IPython >> >> >>> license >> >> >>> file "The IPython Development Team is the set of all contributors >> to >> >> >>> the >> >> >>> IPython project," so it is already synonymous with Contributors, >> and >> >> >>> has >> >> >>> never been an entity. But if using the plural "Contributors" text >> is >> >> >>> clearer >> >> >>> than the collective "Team", that's fine, too, and changes no >> meaning. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -MinRK >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Fernando Perez < >> [email protected]> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Hi all, >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I recently noticed that there's something funny about the way our >> >> >>>> license is worded compared to the BSD template... >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Our licenses say >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> "Neither the name of JupyterLab...", "... name of Jupyter...", >> etc... >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> But the original BSD template reads >> >> >>>> (https://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause) >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> "Neither the name of the copyright holder..." >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> and the term "copyright holder" isn't a variable to template >> over, >> >> >>>> just >> >> >>>> the words "copyright holder". In our case, that is "Project >> Jupyter" >> >> >>>> in >> >> >>>> some licenses, and I'd argue it should read "Project Jupyter >> Team" to >> >> >>>> indicate that it's the *people*, not the abstract/legal project >> >> >>>> entity... >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I didn't realize that our licenses had changed in this way, but >> in a >> >> >>>> sense we are NOT using BSD! We've made a subtle but important >> >> >>>> change, as >> >> >>>> we've basically added a trademark barrier in the third clause >> (hence >> >> >>>> this >> >> >>>> question the person is asking), whereas the original third clause >> is >> >> >>>> about >> >> >>>> *endorsement of promotion*. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I had never noticed this, but I would argue that our licenses >> should: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> 1. All read: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Copyright... The Project Jupyter Development Team. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> This would convey the fact that we're talking about the people >> who >> >> >>>> wrote >> >> >>>> the code. It's our shorthand for the union of all `git shortlog >> >> >>>> -sne`... >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> 2. Actually use the real BSD license text, not some subtly >> modified >> >> >>>> version. That means that other than filling in the placeholders, >> we >> >> >>>> leave >> >> >>>> the body of text unmodified. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> What do people think? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Cheers, >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> ps - sorry that I'm sending this and going offline, the >> discussion >> >> >>>> started on the council list and Jason correctly pointed out that >> this >> >> >>>> is >> >> >>>> really an open topic... Reposting here for reference, hopefully >> >> >>>> others can >> >> >>>> provide feedback in my absence. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -- >> >> >>>> Fernando Perez (@fperez_org; http://fperez.org) >> >> >>>> fperez.net-at-gmail: mailing lists only (I ignore this when >> swamped!) >> >> >>>> fernando.perez-at-berkeley: contact me here for any direct mail >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -- >> >> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> Google >> >> >>>> Groups "Project Jupyter" group. >> >> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> >> >>>> send >> >> >>>> an email to [email protected]. >> >> >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> >> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jupyter/CAHAreOoQjN%2BA41qoyXy5ZUUjL_kL9g8Xd2RVMdWvJ_eW62wToQ%40mail.gmail.com. >> >> >> >> >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> >>> Groups >> >> >>> "Project Jupyter" group. >> >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send >> >> >>> an >> >> >>> email to [email protected]. >> >> >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> >> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jupyter/CAHNn8BUJ0FC4HqTkPM6Cd0L0F6HUQdCOozPNgW3YLP%2Br3fVc-g%40mail.gmail.com. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Damián >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> >> Groups >> >> >> "Project Jupyter" group. >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send >> >> >> an >> >> >> email to [email protected]. >> >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> >> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jupyter/CAH%2BmRR0QUXo6SQ0CKL6FFzM6vBufO5kNZ2r4Bob11kfSjKxLQg%40mail.gmail.com. >> >> >> >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> > Groups >> >> > "Project Jupyter" group. >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send >> >> > an >> >> > email to [email protected]. >> >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> >> > >> >> > >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jupyter/CAPDWZHwtPrzZwT6%3D11rZxoMr2RbOx%2BOiJXojd%2BXHB90draDNNg%40mail.gmail.com. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Brian E. 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