Thanks very much for trying this out, Nick. To be honest, it’s been so long since I used a ThinkPad joy nub that I hadn’t considered this at all. It’s good that it seemed just a switch in behavior of key modifiers because it really isn’t. It changes the way panning is done altogether, doing the panning in the event handlers instead of firing cmd events. I think my primary concern for non OS X users is that the panning acceleration would seem way out of line with expectations, something that's fixable but something I can’t test.
Also, as I said previously, it changes some longstanding behavior with regard to modifier keys and panning direction, but I consider the old behavior wrong so I might have to convince folks. I’m not sure what the timeline is for a stable release so I’m not sure whether to wait until after to try to get this in. It really needs some Windows/Linux testing, but there’s not much incentive for it. Garth > On Jan 10, 2015, at 6:10 AM, Nick Østergaard <[email protected]> wrote: > > I just tried this on linux with a thinkpad nipple, seems to work just > fine. Without the option enabled I had to use shift to do panning. I > did not read the patch, but to me it seems like this was just a switch > in behaivour of using zooming for scroll or having to hit ctrl or > shift (depinding on what mode was set in settings). It does not seem > to break any behaviour I usually expect. > > 2014-11-05 9:18 GMT+01:00 Garth Corral <[email protected]>: >> Thanks for trying this out, guys. I’d also like to see this get into the >> mainline, but I think there are a few hurdles to get over first. The >> pinch-to-zoom should be easy; It’s completely optional and has to be >> compiled in so there’s no impact to other platforms, but as I’ve said, it’s >> less useful by itself. The issue for the rest is that it changes some >> longstanding behavior, and I’m pretty sure just the idea will annoy some >> folks. >> >> I’ve seen very little complaint about the large mousewheel panning steps on >> other platforms aside from a couple of ancient bugs. I think I’d be hard >> pressed to convince anyone to change something that isn’t perceived as >> broken. I’ve tried not to do anything egregious here, and I tested this >> with a couple of plain old mice, but I have no way to evaluate this on the >> other platforms. Does either of you have access to Windows or Linux boxes to >> try this on? >> >> To me, the large panning steps make little sense for a mousewheel, and even >> less so on a trackpad. This is a big deal on a platform where every system >> in the past several years has sold with input devices with x/y scrolling and >> precise deltas (effectively trackpads). Maybe not so much on other >> platforms, I don’t know. >> >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Garth >> >> >> On Nov 3, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Adam Wolf <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I also really like this patch. Excellent work. >>> >>> Adam Wolf >>> Cofounder and Engineer >>> W&L >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Bernhard Stegmaier >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> works perfect for me… with trackpad and also Magic/Mighty Mouse (without >>> pinch-to-zoom for the mice of course). >>> Tested with the pinch-to-zoom wxWidgets patch on 3.0.2, KiCad changes >>> merged into 5249. >>> >>> I would really love to see this getting merged to main line. >>> It not only makes panning more OSX like, but also is a great usability >>> improvement (at least on OSX where nowadays all mice/trackpads do have x/y >>> scrolling capability). >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bernhard >>> >>> >>> On 31.10.2014, at 18:45, Garth Corral <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi, all >>>> >>>> I’ve pushed a branch containing some changes that I use to make kicad more >>>> livable for me on OS X. This is mostly for Apple Magic Trackpad users, >>>> but I’d be curious to hear from mousewheel users on OS X, or even Linux >>>> and Windows users if they were inclined to try out these changes. >>>> >>>> The changes are basically in two parts. The first is optional and >>>> requires an additional patch to wxWidgets on OS X, and that kicad be >>>> compiled with a feature macro turned on (updated instructions in >>>> compiling/mac-osx.txt). This enables pinch-to-zoom. >>>> >>>> The rest does not require any changes in the way things are built. This >>>> adds a preference for the default mousewheel function and changes the way >>>> panning is done; It does not change the way mousewheel zooming behaves >>>> (but perhaps should). >>>> >>>> For best results on a trackpad I recommend compiling with the >>>> pinch-to-zoom support and checking “Use mousewheel to pan” in the >>>> preferences of the various apps. >>>> >>>> If you’re a Mac trackpad user and have a spare few moments, please give >>>> these changes a try and let me know how they work for you. They’re in >>>> lp:~gcorral/kicad/osx-trackpad-gestures >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> >>>> Garth >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> Post to : [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> Post to : [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> Post to : [email protected] >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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