2015-01-11 21:38 GMT+01:00 Garth Corral <[email protected]>: > Ah! Okay, this makes more sense. I will have a look and see what I can > figure out. I think there is some work to be done with the 3d viewer anyway > because of the issues I mentioned in another thread about how preferences are > handled in kicad. Unfortunately I don’t really have a good way to test on > non-OS X platforms but I will try to scrape something together. Thanks for > the feedback. Hopefully this will ultimately help out on the OS X side. > > Other than the 3d viewer are you seeing any issues with mousewheel > panning/zooming?
I have not noticed any issues, other than I am used to use the zoom to navigate mostly. But that is not a problem with your patch. > Thanks again, > > Garth > > >> On Jan 11, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Nick Østergaard <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Sorry for the ambiguity, but it was just using a normal mouse with a >> scroll wheel. >> >> On my trackpoint I can hit a middlebutton and then use the nipple to >> scrool on both the x and y directions. It is sort of making a >> direction vector. With this I can pan using your patch. Or with shift >> or ctrl in normal (product) mode I can also do that. >> >> Ohh, I now see that it is panning (not zooming) in the 3D view, for >> one scroll click it is changing dy with 6. So it is not zooming, but >> panning in the y direction only. The dy dx readout is on the bottom >> toolbar in the 3D view window. >> >> 2015-01-11 19:40 GMT+01:00 Garth Corral <[email protected]>: >>> Hi, Nick. Thanks for the feedback. I’m know there are some differences >>> with 3d panning & zooming that could potentially be an issue, but I’m a >>> little confused, though. When you say pinch, do you mean a trackpad? Are >>> we still talking about the ThinkPad laptop here? If so this is very >>> interesting. Could someone educate me about any current support for >>> trackpads in windows or Linux? I was not aware of any. >>> >>> Garth >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:40 AM, Nick Østergaard <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I did note something strange with this branch. When I try to scroll >>>> zoom in the 3D viewer regardles of setting it is like it is zooming >>>> way too much. When I just zoom one pinch I can't see my board. But on >>>> my normal branch it works fine. >>>> >>>> 2015-01-10 18:23 GMT+01:00 Garth Corral <[email protected]>: >>>>> Thanks very much for trying this out, Nick. To be honest, it’s been so >>>>> long since I used a ThinkPad joy nub that I hadn’t considered this at >>>>> all. It’s good that it seemed just a switch in behavior of key modifiers >>>>> because it really isn’t. It changes the way panning is done altogether, >>>>> doing the panning in the event handlers instead of firing cmd events. I >>>>> think my primary concern for non OS X users is that the panning >>>>> acceleration would seem way out of line with expectations, something >>>>> that's fixable but something I can’t test. >>>>> >>>>> Also, as I said previously, it changes some longstanding behavior with >>>>> regard to modifier keys and panning direction, but I consider the old >>>>> behavior wrong so I might have to convince folks. I’m not sure what the >>>>> timeline is for a stable release so I’m not sure whether to wait until >>>>> after to try to get this in. It really needs some Windows/Linux testing, >>>>> but there’s not much incentive for it. >>>>> >>>>> Garth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 6:10 AM, Nick Østergaard <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I just tried this on linux with a thinkpad nipple, seems to work just >>>>>> fine. Without the option enabled I had to use shift to do panning. I >>>>>> did not read the patch, but to me it seems like this was just a switch >>>>>> in behaivour of using zooming for scroll or having to hit ctrl or >>>>>> shift (depinding on what mode was set in settings). It does not seem >>>>>> to break any behaviour I usually expect. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2014-11-05 9:18 GMT+01:00 Garth Corral <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> Thanks for trying this out, guys. I’d also like to see this get into >>>>>>> the mainline, but I think there are a few hurdles to get over first. >>>>>>> The pinch-to-zoom should be easy; It’s completely optional and has to >>>>>>> be compiled in so there’s no impact to other platforms, but as I’ve >>>>>>> said, it’s less useful by itself. The issue for the rest is that it >>>>>>> changes some longstanding behavior, and I’m pretty sure just the idea >>>>>>> will annoy some folks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’ve seen very little complaint about the large mousewheel panning >>>>>>> steps on other platforms aside from a couple of ancient bugs. I think >>>>>>> I’d be hard pressed to convince anyone to change something that isn’t >>>>>>> perceived as broken. I’ve tried not to do anything egregious here, and >>>>>>> I tested this with a couple of plain old mice, but I have no way to >>>>>>> evaluate this on the other platforms. Does either of you have access to >>>>>>> Windows or Linux boxes to try this on? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To me, the large panning steps make little sense for a mousewheel, and >>>>>>> even less so on a trackpad. This is a big deal on a platform where >>>>>>> every system in the past several years has sold with input devices with >>>>>>> x/y scrolling and precise deltas (effectively trackpads). Maybe not so >>>>>>> much on other platforms, I don’t know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks again, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Garth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 3, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Adam Wolf <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also really like this patch. Excellent work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adam Wolf >>>>>>>> Cofounder and Engineer >>>>>>>> W&L >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Bernhard Stegmaier >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> works perfect for me… with trackpad and also Magic/Mighty Mouse >>>>>>>> (without pinch-to-zoom for the mice of course). >>>>>>>> Tested with the pinch-to-zoom wxWidgets patch on 3.0.2, KiCad changes >>>>>>>> merged into 5249. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would really love to see this getting merged to main line. >>>>>>>> It not only makes panning more OSX like, but also is a great usability >>>>>>>> improvement (at least on OSX where nowadays all mice/trackpads do have >>>>>>>> x/y scrolling capability). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Bernhard >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 31.10.2014, at 18:45, Garth Corral <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, all >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I’ve pushed a branch containing some changes that I use to make kicad >>>>>>>>> more livable for me on OS X. This is mostly for Apple Magic Trackpad >>>>>>>>> users, but I’d be curious to hear from mousewheel users on OS X, or >>>>>>>>> even Linux and Windows users if they were inclined to try out these >>>>>>>>> changes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The changes are basically in two parts. The first is optional and >>>>>>>>> requires an additional patch to wxWidgets on OS X, and that kicad be >>>>>>>>> compiled with a feature macro turned on (updated instructions in >>>>>>>>> compiling/mac-osx.txt). This enables pinch-to-zoom. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The rest does not require any changes in the way things are built. >>>>>>>>> This adds a preference for the default mousewheel function and >>>>>>>>> changes the way panning is done; It does not change the way >>>>>>>>> mousewheel zooming behaves (but perhaps should). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For best results on a trackpad I recommend compiling with the >>>>>>>>> pinch-to-zoom support and checking “Use mousewheel to pan” in the >>>>>>>>> preferences of the various apps. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you’re a Mac trackpad user and have a spare few moments, please >>>>>>>>> give these changes a try and let me know how they work for you. >>>>>>>>> They’re in lp:~gcorral/kicad/osx-trackpad-gestures >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Garth >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> Post to : [email protected] >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
