begin quoting Tracy R Reed as of Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 02:42:08PM -0800: > Stewart Stremler wrote: > >>That would make sense if all countries agreed to respect human rights > >>and freedom. No other country has as strong a history in this area > >>as US. > > > > What color is the sky in your world? > > He never said the US was perfect. I think the implication is that we are > better than a lot of others in this area.
Dunno. At the moment, no. Before fifty years ago? Probably not as well. I would think the Netherlands (at least) would give us a run for our money. > This seems to be a constant > problem in these sort of debates. "Are you saying that GEORGE BUSH is a > saint?!?!" Uh...no. That's not what he is saying. Neither am I. Depending on how you view "freedom", you could argue that France has been chasing the dream just about as long; that the Netherlands do more of it; etc. etc. So are we talking *practice*, or are we just talking about how good we are at SAYING we are? > > Besides we're not the _only_ freedom-loving people in the world. We just [snip] > Everyone claims to love freedom. Even in Vietnam they say they love > freedom. Even the communists in Vietnam say they love freedom. And many > of them honestly believe they are free. Of course they only believe that > because their government run schools and newspapers tell them that. Yup. 'course, if you replace "Vietnam" with "USA", it *still* works. > > Imagine if the average american newspaper had a topless woman on page 3. > > It sure would make a lot more young men willing to risk their lives for > their country! :) > > <yakov>Boobies with my headlines? WHAT A COUNTRY!</yakov> Try again. They'd be shut down. You only get free speech here in carefully selected topics. Granted, that range of topics is pretty darn wide. And I think we do a pretty good tradeoff in making it all work. But that's a far cry from expecting anyone else to think that we do the 'best' job. > > We need to solve the routing problem. > > Freenet takes the malicious router problem very seriously and does > everything it can to account for it in their design. That's not the same thing as saying they solved the problem. -Stewart "The question is... is it good *enough*?" Stremler -- [email protected] http://www.kernel-panic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kplug-list
