You tellem PanMan
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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide
> In a message dated 10/25/2001 6:13:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>
> > proud of it? hardly worth the acknowledgement. I built an ISP and I
can
> >assure you that installing and configuring the little pana was trivial
> >compared to all the Ascend, Cisco, Computone, Astrocom, Mulitech gear we
> >have.
>
> Not sure what your point is but anyone with a little computer smarts can
set
> up the Cisco, and Mulitech system's, (We had a mulitech talking over the
> Internet in 60min. from the time we removed it from the box. And we had a
15
> min. drive to the next site)
> I have always wondered why some very smart people have such a hard time
with
> the Panasonic,
>
>
> >oh yeah, I have a masters in software engineering
>
> People that type stuff like this 99% of the time are talking out of their
A_
> _.
>
>
> >Your inferences are really amusing. Actually we've had our KXTD for
over
> five years
>
> Five years ago you asked a lot of questions on the set up of your system.
> After that I have noticed your answers to people setting up their first
> system borders on the flippant side,
>
> > and if I really wanted to shoe-horn in some inter-office VoIP stuff I
> >could have done it myself -- its not rocket science
>
> Most software programming is not rocket science,
>
> >the primary reason we bought the pana was this mailing list !
>
> Why do you subscribe to this mailing?
>
> >but pana has fallen behind the curve, and this "us-vs-them" attitude is
> >just the ill smell of something rotten forming
>
> What has Panasonic fallen behind on...They sell one hell of a lot of phone
> systems, that IS what they do....... They have not gone VOIP but the
> market for that has not warranted it, Ask 3Com, Nortel, and Cisco, all
have
> poor sales and have had to rethink how they will market this so they don't
> only get the computer .COM kind of customer,
> Panasonic does have stuff on the way, but when it comes out they will not
be
> upgrading the software every 60 days, or sending out patches to fix major
> problems.
> But like all Panasonic products it will be worth your time to look at.
>
> us-Vs them seems to a big deal these day's, When it comes to this list,
> people like you lean most tech away from wanting to be helpfull, But I do
see
> answers for all questions asked,
> Getting a quote from me then getting the equipment over the internet I
have
> no problem with, My per hour charge is more then what I would bid if I
sold
> the equipment, I normaly just quote $600.00 to program the voice mail and
> phone system for a home or business less then 15 people,Getting equipment
off
> the internet then calling when things are mest up normally is the worst
type
> of job, becuse this is the kind of person that thinks that you stop in
work
> for 1 hour and correct the direction he was trying to go, Then run you out
> with only 1 hour, and then call 3 to 20 times for small questions, and
when
> you say I need to bill you for that they say "Well if you dont want to
help
> just say so"
>
> I have sold a lot of Panasonic equipment over the last 10 years, And I'm
> always looking for new customers, but as Deon Sanders said "If it don't
make
> money it don"t make cents"
>
> >sure there has always been a tension of "certified -vs- DIY" -- in EVERY
> >INDUSTRY
>
> This is true. Getting certified on Panasonic system for a small
> dealer is not that hard, $600.00, (sometimes you can get training in the
city
> that you live if you time it right) for a 1 week class, The last tech I
> sent to BCM school at Nortel cost $5000.00 plus 2 weeks of pay and all
travel
> and hotel.
>
>
> Phil Lavery
>
>
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