In Iran schools and universities beside some foreign languages are not
allowed to teach languages other than Persian, so there is no nothing as
official resource, what do you expect from me? If there is no approval
please let users know to stop contributing.
On 4/28/2015 1:04 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Reading an article does not make us an expert.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many
languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link
<http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi"
is the main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of
Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current
Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri
(lrc), lower on these dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands
for Laki language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the
figure #2 upper of Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the
"Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad"
(Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you can
compares the example differences between these languages.
On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an
outside scholar / linguist / language expert for verification
purposes. Any useful bona-fide contacts?
On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
This
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he
named the language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their
main page, and I didn't see that.
On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
Yes.
On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that
they have to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a
language not a macro language.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's
languages, people are the resources and they only
maintainer code, the unified codes that the world uses. Is
there any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet?
On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such
they are an authority.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You're right, I can't trust a self verification too,
but what do you expect me do to?, you can probably
find a lot of trustable resources on the Internet, I
my self can't even trust ethnologue, because I found
unuseful information on it and I don't know where
they come from, at least in Wikipedia, we have
resources, I didn't expect that from you.
On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never
been. Again, self certification does not work for
me.. We have been hurt by that before.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough,
I didn't have any knowledge that there is a
southern dialect of it and people of Kohgiluyeh
and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only
knew Lorestan, but per English wikipedia,
they're dialects of Northern Luri which this
wiki is written in.
On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Check this out ...
http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
It rather complicates things... By the way self
certification is not a good idea.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some
parts of this language, it is definitely
Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) the
most active user of this project is from
Lorestan so definitely he speaks in this
language every day. In Iran it's called
Luri, some people call it Lurish
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
as the translation for English, per this
<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc>
the language should be called Northern
Luri, but none of it dialects are called
Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also
submitted and now accepted a ticket to CLDR
to support this language. Other proposal of
dialects of this language like Bakhtiari
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
failed because of being a part of this
language. Also they list of article I've
just provided are the best of them as you
can see there are no Persian words in them.
On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Do we have confirmation that it is indeed
Luri ?
Thanks,
Gerard
On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi,
I ask langcom members for approval of
Luri Wikipedia,
here are some top articles I could
list, but there are more of them
1. استیو جابز
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
(Steve Jobs)
2. آلورت انیشتین
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
(Albert Einstein)
3. کلمبیا
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7>
(Colombia)
4. شهید چمران
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
(Mostafa Chamran)
5. شایا عیلامی
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
(List of rulers of Elam)
6. کارلوس فوئنتس
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
(Carlos Fuentes)
Analysis
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
shows that this project has enough
users and most of mediawiki message
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
been translated.
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