I would appreciate it if non-members could be reserved in throwing around their own expertise and dismissing linguists' opinions, if they are not themselves experts in this field.
2015-05-06 17:49 GMT+02:00 Mjbmr <[email protected]>: > If Anonby thinks that it's a shame Lurish must use more old Lurish verbs > that new driven from Persian verbs, then we should start speaking in Old > English. btw Mohammad Mogoei (Mogoeilor) is native Northeren Luri from > capital of Lurestan province and he knows all dialects of Luri language > including Southern and Bakhtiari. > > > On 5/6/2015 8:00 PM, MF-Warburg wrote: > > I. We still haven't formally said yet that Northern Luri is an eligible > language, but it seems like there is no issue with it. > II. Activity: Most-used msgs are complete [1] & contributions on > Incubator are steady since >12 months (thousands of small edits always by > Mogoeilor, who should use preview more often, but also contributions from > other users), though so far in this month only 2 users over the > 10-edit-threshold [2]. > III. About Erik Anonby's response, I wonder how "welcoming" the > peculiarities noted by him would be to other speakers of the language who > do not use this particular dialect. Should we maybe ask him or Mehdi > Moshkriz for their opinion on that? > > > [1] <https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc> > [2] < > https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#distribution_201505 > > > > 2015-04-28 10:44 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <[email protected]>: > >> Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the >> requirements for leaving the incubator? >> If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've >> actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we >> all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see >> whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend >> someone else to do so for us. >> >> Fwiw, >> Oliver >> >> >> On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote: >> >> Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the >> process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence >> after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't >> fall between the cracks? >> >> A. >> >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> We obviously discuss >>> 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all >>> 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already >>> 3. if no, whom to contact. >>> Then we contact people. >>> >>> 2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the expectation of >>>> this committee that nothing will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert >>>> testimony confirming that the content currently in the Northern Luri >>>> Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps >>>> to secure such testimony? >>>> >>>> A. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> Reading an article does not make us an expert. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> GerardM >>>>> >>>>> On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many >>>>>> languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link >>>>>> <http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>, >>>>>> you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the >>>>>> main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern Luri >>>>>> (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, said >>>>>> "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these >>>>>> dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) , and >>>>>> "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri >>>>>> (lrc) >>>>>> dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and >>>>>> "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you >>>>>> can >>>>>> compares the example differences between these languages. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside >>>>>> scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any >>>>>> useful >>>>>> bona-fide contacts? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> This >>>>>> <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1> >>>>>> is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the >>>>>> language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I >>>>>> didn't >>>>>> see that. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>> A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they >>>>>> have to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a macro >>>>>> language. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> GerardM >>>>>> >>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's >>>>>>> languages, people are the resources and they only maintainer code, the >>>>>>> unified codes that the world uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri >>>>>>> Wikipedia yet? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they are an >>>>>>> authority. >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but what do >>>>>>>> you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of trustable >>>>>>>> resources on >>>>>>>> the Internet, I my self can't even trust ethnologue, because I found >>>>>>>> unuseful information on it and I don't know where they come from, at >>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>> in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that from you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>> Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been. Again, >>>>>>>> self certification does not work for me.. We have been hurt by that >>>>>>>> before. >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I didn't have >>>>>>>>> any knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and people of >>>>>>>>> Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew >>>>>>>>> Lorestan, but >>>>>>>>> per English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri which this >>>>>>>>> wiki is >>>>>>>>> written in. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>>> Check this out ... http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It rather complicates things... By the way self certification is >>>>>>>>> not a good idea. >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this >>>>>>>>>> language, it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) >>>>>>>>>> the most >>>>>>>>>> active user of this project is from Lorestan so definitely he speaks >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> this language every day. In Iran it's called Luri, some people call >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> Lurish >>>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish> >>>>>>>>>> as the translation for English, per this >>>>>>>>>> <http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc> the >>>>>>>>>> language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it dialects are >>>>>>>>>> called >>>>>>>>>> Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted and now accepted a >>>>>>>>>> ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other proposal of dialects >>>>>>>>>> of this >>>>>>>>>> language like Bakhtiari >>>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari> >>>>>>>>>> failed because of being a part of this language. Also they list of >>>>>>>>>> article >>>>>>>>>> I've just provided are the best of them as you can see there are no >>>>>>>>>> Persian >>>>>>>>>> words in them. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>>>> Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ? >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Gerard >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> here are some top articles I could list, but there are more of >>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. استیو جابز >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2> >>>>>>>>>>> (Steve Jobs) >>>>>>>>>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86> >>>>>>>>>>> (Albert Einstein) >>>>>>>>>>> 3. کلمبیا >>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7> ( >>>>>>>>>>> Colombia) >>>>>>>>>>> 4. شهید چمران >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86> >>>>>>>>>>> (Mostafa Chamran) >>>>>>>>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C> >>>>>>>>>>> (List of rulers of Elam) >>>>>>>>>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3> >>>>>>>>>>> (Carlos Fuentes) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Analysis >>>>>>>>>>> <https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors> >>>>>>>>>>> shows that this project has enough users and most of mediawiki >>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>> <https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has >>>>>>>>>>> been translated. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>>>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Asaf Bartov >>>> Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> >>>> >>>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share >>>> in the sum of all knowledge. 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