Shhh, don't fight please. Voices from different countries are a very valuable asset. Experts are also a very valuable asset. Let's respect each other.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2015-05-06 20:30 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>: > Hoi, > Non-members may be asked to shut up. Members vote, their opinion counts. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 6 May 2015 at 18:56, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have rights to speak and give my opinion whether you like it not. >> You're not locals, I'm sharing my knowledge. >> >> On 5/6/2015 8:32 PM, MF-Warburg wrote: >> > I would appreciate it if non-members could be reserved in throwing >> around their own expertise and dismissing linguists' opinions, if they are >> not themselves experts in this field. >> >> On 5/6/2015 9:12 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >> >> Hoi, >> Please do not be unnecessarily negative.. Preferences are just that. >> Thanks, >> Gere >> >> On 6 May 2015 at 17:49, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> If Anonby thinks that it's a shame Lurish must use more old Lurish >>> verbs that new driven from Persian verbs, then we should start speaking in >>> Old English. btw Mohammad Mogoei (Mogoeilor) is native Northeren Luri from >>> capital of Lurestan province and he knows all dialects of Luri language >>> including Southern and Bakhtiari. >>> >>> >>> On 5/6/2015 8:00 PM, MF-Warburg wrote: >>> >>> I. We still haven't formally said yet that Northern Luri is an >>> eligible language, but it seems like there is no issue with it. >>> II. Activity: Most-used msgs are complete [1] & contributions on >>> Incubator are steady since >12 months (thousands of small edits always by >>> Mogoeilor, who should use preview more often, but also contributions from >>> other users), though so far in this month only 2 users over the >>> 10-edit-threshold [2]. >>> III. About Erik Anonby's response, I wonder how "welcoming" the >>> peculiarities noted by him would be to other speakers of the language who >>> do not use this particular dialect. Should we maybe ask him or Mehdi >>> Moshkriz for their opinion on that? >>> >>> >>> [1] <https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc> >>> [2] < >>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#distribution_201505 >>> > >>> >>> 2015-04-28 10:44 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the >>>> requirements for leaving the incubator? >>>> If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've >>>> actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we >>>> all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see >>>> whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend >>>> someone else to do so for us. >>>> >>>> Fwiw, >>>> Oliver >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the >>>> process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence >>>> after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't >>>> fall between the cracks? >>>> >>>> A. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> We obviously discuss >>>>> 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all >>>>> 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already >>>>> 3. if no, whom to contact. >>>>> Then we contact people. >>>>> >>>>> 2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the expectation of >>>>>> this committee that nothing will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert >>>>>> testimony confirming that the content currently in the Northern Luri >>>>>> Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps >>>>>> to secure such testimony? >>>>>> >>>>>> A. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>> Reading an article does not make us an expert. >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many >>>>>>>> languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link >>>>>>>> <http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>, >>>>>>>> you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the >>>>>>>> main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern Luri >>>>>>>> (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, said >>>>>>>> "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these >>>>>>>> dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) , and >>>>>>>> "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri >>>>>>>> (lrc) >>>>>>>> dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> compares the example differences between these languages. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside >>>>>>>> scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any >>>>>>>> useful >>>>>>>> bona-fide contacts? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>> <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1> >>>>>>>> is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I >>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>> see that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>> A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they >>>>>>>> have to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a >>>>>>>> macro >>>>>>>> language. >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's >>>>>>>>> languages, people are the resources and they only maintainer code, the >>>>>>>>> unified codes that the world uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri >>>>>>>>> Wikipedia yet? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they are an >>>>>>>>> authority. >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but what do >>>>>>>>>> you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of trustable >>>>>>>>>> resources on >>>>>>>>>> the Internet, I my self can't even trust ethnologue, because I found >>>>>>>>>> unuseful information on it and I don't know where they come from, at >>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>> in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that from you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been. Again, >>>>>>>>>> self certification does not work for me.. We have been hurt by that >>>>>>>>>> before. >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I didn't have >>>>>>>>>>> any knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and people of >>>>>>>>>>> Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew >>>>>>>>>>> Lorestan, but >>>>>>>>>>> per English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri which this >>>>>>>>>>> wiki is >>>>>>>>>>> written in. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>>>>> Check this out ... http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It rather complicates things... By the way self certification >>>>>>>>>>> is not a good idea. >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this >>>>>>>>>>>> language, it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) >>>>>>>>>>>> the most >>>>>>>>>>>> active user of this project is from Lorestan so definitely he >>>>>>>>>>>> speaks in >>>>>>>>>>>> this language every day. In Iran it's called Luri, some people >>>>>>>>>>>> call it >>>>>>>>>>>> Lurish >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish> >>>>>>>>>>>> as the translation for English, per this >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc> the >>>>>>>>>>>> language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it dialects >>>>>>>>>>>> are called >>>>>>>>>>>> Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted and now >>>>>>>>>>>> accepted a >>>>>>>>>>>> ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other proposal of >>>>>>>>>>>> dialects of this >>>>>>>>>>>> language like Bakhtiari >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari> >>>>>>>>>>>> failed because of being a part of this language. Also they list of >>>>>>>>>>>> article >>>>>>>>>>>> I've just provided are the best of them as you can see there are >>>>>>>>>>>> no Persian >>>>>>>>>>>> words in them. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ? >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>> Gerard >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> here are some top articles I could list, but there are more of >>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. استیو جابز >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Steve Jobs) >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Albert Einstein) >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. کلمبیا >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Colombia) >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. شهید چمران >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Mostafa Chamran) >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (List of rulers of Elam) >>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Carlos Fuentes) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Analysis >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors> >>>>>>>>>>>>> shows that this project has 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