Hoi,
Non-members may be asked to shut up. Members vote, their opinion counts.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 6 May 2015 at 18:56, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have rights to speak and give my opinion whether you like it not.
> You're not locals, I'm sharing my knowledge.
>
> On 5/6/2015 8:32 PM, MF-Warburg wrote:
> > I would appreciate it if non-members could be reserved in throwing
> around their own expertise and dismissing linguists' opinions, if they are
> not themselves experts in this field.
>
> On 5/6/2015 9:12 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
> Hoi,
> Please do not be unnecessarily negative.. Preferences are just that.
> Thanks,
> Gere
>
> On 6 May 2015 at 17:49, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If Anonby thinks that it's a shame Lurish must use more old Lurish verbs
>> that new driven from Persian verbs, then we should start speaking in Old
>> English. btw Mohammad Mogoei (Mogoeilor) is native Northeren Luri from
>> capital of Lurestan province and he knows all dialects of Luri language
>> including Southern and Bakhtiari.
>>
>>
>> On 5/6/2015 8:00 PM, MF-Warburg wrote:
>>
>> I. We still haven't formally said yet that Northern Luri is an eligible
>> language, but it seems like there is no issue with it.
>> II. Activity: Most-used msgs are complete [1] & contributions on
>> Incubator are steady since >12 months (thousands of small edits always by
>> Mogoeilor, who should use preview more often, but also contributions from
>> other users), though so far in this month only 2 users over the
>> 10-edit-threshold [2].
>> III. About Erik Anonby's response, I wonder how "welcoming" the
>> peculiarities noted by him would be to other speakers of the language who
>> do not use this particular dialect. Should we maybe ask him or Mehdi
>> Moshkriz for their opinion on that?
>>
>>
>> [1] <https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>
>> [2] <
>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#distribution_201505
>> >
>>
>> 2015-04-28 10:44 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the
>>> requirements for leaving the incubator?
>>> If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've
>>> actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we
>>> all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see
>>> whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend
>>> someone else to do so for us.
>>>
>>> Fwiw,
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the
>>> process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence
>>> after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't
>>> fall between the cracks?
>>>
>>> A.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We obviously discuss
>>>> 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
>>>> 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
>>>> 3. if no, whom to contact.
>>>> Then we contact people.
>>>>
>>>> 2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <[email protected]>:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the expectation of
>>>>> this committee that nothing will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert
>>>>> testimony confirming that the content currently in the Northern Luri
>>>>> Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps
>>>>> to secure such testimony?
>>>>>
>>>>> A.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>> Reading an article does not make us an expert.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many
>>>>>>> languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link
>>>>>>> <http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
>>>>>>> you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the
>>>>>>> main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern Luri
>>>>>>> (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, said
>>>>>>> "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these
>>>>>>> dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) , and
>>>>>>> "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri
>>>>>>> (lrc)
>>>>>>> dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and
>>>>>>> "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> compares the example differences between these languages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside
>>>>>>> scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any
>>>>>>> useful
>>>>>>> bona-fide contacts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>> <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
>>>>>>> is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the
>>>>>>> language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I
>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>> see that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>> A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they
>>>>>>> have to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a macro
>>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's
>>>>>>>> languages, people are the resources and they only maintainer code, the
>>>>>>>> unified codes that the world uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri
>>>>>>>> Wikipedia yet?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they are an
>>>>>>>> authority.
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but what do
>>>>>>>>> you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of trustable
>>>>>>>>> resources on
>>>>>>>>> the Internet, I my self can't even trust ethnologue, because I found
>>>>>>>>> unuseful information on it and I don't know where they come from, at
>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>> in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that from you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been. Again,
>>>>>>>>> self certification does not work for me.. We have been hurt by that
>>>>>>>>> before.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I didn't have
>>>>>>>>>> any knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and people of
>>>>>>>>>> Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew
>>>>>>>>>> Lorestan, but
>>>>>>>>>> per English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri which this
>>>>>>>>>> wiki is
>>>>>>>>>> written in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>>>> Check this out ... http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It rather complicates things... By the way self certification is
>>>>>>>>>> not a good idea.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this
>>>>>>>>>>> language, it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor)
>>>>>>>>>>> the most
>>>>>>>>>>> active user of this project is from Lorestan so definitely he
>>>>>>>>>>> speaks in
>>>>>>>>>>> this language every day. In Iran it's called Luri, some people call
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> Lurish
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
>>>>>>>>>>> as the translation for English, per this
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc> the
>>>>>>>>>>> language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it dialects
>>>>>>>>>>> are called
>>>>>>>>>>> Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted and now accepted
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other proposal of dialects
>>>>>>>>>>> of this
>>>>>>>>>>> language like Bakhtiari
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
>>>>>>>>>>> failed because of being a part of this language. Also they list of
>>>>>>>>>>> article
>>>>>>>>>>> I've just provided are the best of them as you can see there are no
>>>>>>>>>>> Persian
>>>>>>>>>>> words in them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ?
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Gerard
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> here are some top articles I could list, but there are more of
>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. استیو جابز
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Steve Jobs)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Albert Einstein)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. کلمبیا
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7> (
>>>>>>>>>>>> Colombia)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. شهید چمران
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Mostafa Chamran)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (List of rulers of Elam)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Carlos Fuentes)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Analysis
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
>>>>>>>>>>>> shows that this project has enough users and most of mediawiki
>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
>>>>>>>>>>>> been translated.
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