Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an
owner to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to
ensure that in case of silence after asking #2, there
is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't fall
between the cracks?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
We obviously discuss
1. whether at this stage we need to verify the
content at all
2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
3. if no, whom to contact.
Then we contact people.
2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it
the expectation of this committee that nothing
will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert
testimony confirming that the content currently
in the Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact
Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any
steps to secure such testimony?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard
Meijssen <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hoi,
Reading an article does not make us an expert.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Here's the article I found titled
"Update on Luri: How many languages?"
by Erik John Anonby: original link
<http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
you can see on the figure #2, said
"Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the
main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is
the other dialect of Northern Luri
(lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west
of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani"
is the main area of Northern Luri
(lrc), lower on these dialects is
"Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki
language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the
figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of
Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can
see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and
"Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad"
(Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages
#186 to #197 you can compares the
example differences between these
languages.
On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
As I mentioned also concerning Western
Balochi, we need an outside scholar /
linguist / language expert for
verification purposes. Any useful
bona-fide contacts?
On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
This
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
is the list of top articles was
provided by Mogoeilor, even he named
the language of this wikipedia,
Northern Luri on their main page, and
I didn't see that.
On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
Yes.
On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard
Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
A longstanding requirement for any
and all languages is that they have
to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that
they are a language not a macro
language.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
There is no such thing as they
are a resources of world's
languages, people are the
resources and they only
maintainer code, the unified
codes that the world uses. Is
there any confirmation of Luri
Wikipedia yet?
On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard
Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Ethnologue is the maintainer
of the ISO-639-3. As such they
are an authority.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 06:34,
Mjbmr <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You're right, I can't
trust a self verification
too, but what do you
expect me do to?, you can
probably find a lot of
trustable resources on the
Internet, I my self can't
even trust ethnologue,
because I found unuseful
information on it and I
don't know where they come
from, at least in
Wikipedia, we have
resources, I didn't expect
that from you.
On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM,
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Wikipedia is in this not
an authority. It has
never been. Again, self
certification does not
work for me.. We have
been hurt by that before.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at
00:03, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Alright then, that's
Northern Luri, fair
enough, I didn't have
any knowledge that
there is a southern
dialect of it and
people of Kohgiluyeh
and Boyerahmadi, and
Yasuj speak that, I
only knew Lorestan,
but per English
wikipedia, they're
dialects of Northern
Luri which this wiki
is written in.
On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM,
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Check this out ...
http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
It rather
complicates
things... By the way
self certification
is not a good idea.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 24 April 2015 at
22:45, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Yes. 100%, as I
live Iran and I
know some parts
of this
language, it is
definitely Luri.
Mohammad Mogoei
(User:Mogoeilor)
the most active
user of this
project is from
Lorestan so
definitely he
speaks in this
language every
day. In Iran
it's called
Luri, some
people call it
Lurish
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
as the
translation for
English, per
this
<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc>
the language
should be called
Northern Luri,
but none of it
dialects are
called Luri, so
I call it Luri
too. I have also
submitted and
now accepted a
ticket to CLDR
to support this
language. Other
proposal of
dialects of this
language like
Bakhtiari
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
failed because
of being a part
of this
language. Also
they list of
article I've
just provided
are the best of
them as you can
see there are no
Persian words in
them.
On 4/25/2015
12:37 AM, Gerard
Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Do we have
confirmation
that it is
indeed Luri ?
Thanks,
Gerard
On 24 April
2015 at 20:42,
Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Hi,
I ask
langcom
members for
approval of
Luri Wikipedia,
here are
some top
articles I
could list,
but there
are more of
them
1. استیو
جابز
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
(Steve
Jobs)
2. آلورت
انیشتین
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
(Albert
Einstein)
3. کلمبیا
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7>
(Colombia)
4. شهید
چمران
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
(Mostafa Chamran)
5. شایا
عیلامی
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
(List
of
rulers
of Elam)
6. کارلوس
فوئنتس
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
(Carlos
Fuentes)
Analysis
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
shows that
this
project has
enough
users and
most of
mediawiki
message
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
been
translated.
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