Hoi,
Our policy is one where one person can derail a decision. We have stalemats
aplenty.
It is for the az.wikipedia community to decide what they want. They have an
option to derail their az.wikipedia or not.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 3 May 2015 at 23:50, MF-Warburg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> 2015-05-03 23:17 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>:
>
>> Hoi,
>> It is simple. We have a policy. As a consequence of that policy we did
>> reject a southern Azeri Wikipedia. We did so because it was included in the
>> az.wikipedia. Now one administrator decides to force an issue by deleting
>> articles in the Arabic script. That is not acceptable particularly not
>> because there was no consensus for him to do so.,
>>
>>
> Actually we didn't decide to reject it; the discussion simply fell asleep
> because of differing opinions and several unclear things. The request on
> Meta is still marked as open.
>
>
>
>> There is no reason at all to give this silly sod what he wants. There are
>> multiple options
>>
>> - they can restore the articles an the az multi script situation
>> - they can vote to have a separate Northern ie Latn script Wikipedia
>>
>> When they have made their choice our policy does deny them the
>> az,wikipedia because effectively it is a new one., Az is a macro language
>> code so it is not available.
>>
>
> You do know that the policy says the following?
> >> The language must be sufficiently unique that it could not coexist on a
> more general wiki. In most cases, this excludes regional dialects and
> different written forms of the same language.
>
> - *The degree of difference required is considered on a case-by-case
> basis. The committee does not consider political differences, since the
> Wikimedia Foundation's goal is to give every single person free, unbiased
> access to the sum of all human knowledge, rather than information from the
> viewpoint of individual political communities. <<*
>
> In my opinion, the decision must be made on the basis on mutual
> intellegibility between the two versions and on practicability of having
> two scripts in one wiki. It seems that it is not practicable here to have
> two scripts in one wiki, because of the two versions of the language also
> differ.
>
> Also, I'm sure you know that wiki renames are at the moment not possible (<
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T21986>). I see no problem with
> creating azb, and then later when it is *at all possible,* one can think
> about renaming az to azj as necessary.
>
>
>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> GerardM
>>
>> On 3 May 2015 at 19:41, Michael Everson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3 May 2015, at 07:14, Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I have had some more thoughts on this..
>>> >
>>> > My proposal is to have the az.wikipedia community decide what it
>>> wants...
>>> >
>>> > Do they want a Latin only Wikipedia or not. When
>>>
>>> If.
>>>
>>> > they do, there Wikipedia will be renamed to Northern Azerbaijani and
>>> they will lose the az code.
>>>
>>> No! That’s your agenda. Leave it as it is, take the Arabic out and put
>>> it into a new Wiki. That seems to be what the users want. They haven’t said
>>> “We want to relabel the languages”. They’ve said they don’t want to mix
>>> script content.
>>>
>>> > When
>>>
>>> If.
>>>
>>> > they want to keep Arabic after all, it is no longer an option for them
>>> to deny content in a legitimate script for their language.
>>> >
>>> > When
>>>
>>> If.
>>>
>>> > we agree that this makes sense in the light of our policy, we will
>>> inform the board and give the board two weeks to express their approval.
>>> >
>>> > We will then put it to the az.wp community and it is for them to come
>>> to a decision they will have to live with. There will not be any other
>>> options considered.
>>>
>>> The options are”
>>>
>>> 1) Do nothing. Keep scripts mixed.
>>>
>>> 2) Keep az.wikipedia.org for Latin. This is a national orthography. Add
>>> azb.wikipedia.org or az-arab.wikipedia.org for the Arabic-script
>>> version, which is used in Iran.
>>>
>>> 3) As 2) but deprecate az.wikipedia.org for Latin and make them use
>>> asj.wikipedia.org. This is a bad idea.
>>>
>>> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
>>>
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