Gerard, I don't get why Sorani Kurdish Wikipedia has two scripts
ku.wikipedia.org and ckb.wikipedia.org.
On 5/6/2015 8:28 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Without feedback I am against a new project.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 5 May 2015 at 09:30, Oliver Stegen <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Amir, can you give us an update on what happened since that az-wp
admin's ugly action?
Gerard had proposed that we only act after interacting with the az
communities on their preferences. However, I'm afraid that this
will cause only further division (quite apart from the fact that
azj speakers and azb speakers do not seem to be able to
communicate with each other in writing). So, as has been suggested
in an earlier message for LangCom to take action asap in our role
as "appointed experts", I vote to approve the outstanding request
for azb-wp.
Have I counted correctly that we're now 5 in favour and 1 against?
How much longer must we wait for other LangCom members to cast
their vote?
Who is able to implement our decision? Or at least communicate our
decision to those who will implement it?
Oliver
On 04-May-15 10:20 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
I'm with Antony: what that admin did is ugly and wrong, but it's
only a symptom, and according to what I know about this language,
the right solution to the problem is to split the site, similarly
to what is done with Punjabi and Hindi/Urdu.
The spoken language may be the same, but the written languages
are not, in practice, mutually intelligible, because the Arabic
script is not studied by people in the Republic of Azerbaijan,
and vice-versa, so the languages are not unique enough to exist
within the same site. As I wrote earlier, I'm surprised that they
held together for so long. The codes should be az and azb.
There is an outstanding request for azb Wikipedia, and there is
an active localization community, and we should simply approve it.
בתאריך 4 במאי 2015 21:31, "Antony Green" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> כתב:
If the Azeri Wikipedia community wants separate Wikipedias
for Latin and Arab script, I'm in favor of doing that,
partially because of the impossibility of automatic
conversion and partially because of the linguistic
differences between Northern and Southern Azeri, which if
I've understood the situation correctly are greater in the
written language than the spoken language. (In this respect
the difference between the languages is reminiscent of the
difference between Hindi and Urdu: the spoken languages are
largely mutually intelligible, but the written languages are
not, for one thing because the scripts are different and for
another because learnèd words are borrowed from different
sources.)
If that is the route we go, then I'm in favor of keeping the
status quo at az-wp, namely that it is written in Northern
Azeri (the standard language of the Republic of Azerbaijan)
in the Latin script; it need not be moved to azj.
I would prefer that the Arabic-script Southern Azeri
Wikipedia use the code azb and not az-Arab.
Best,
Antony
On 2015-05-04 15:52, Mjbmr wrote:
South Azerbaijani has a iso 639-3 code and that's azb and
not az-arab, there are resources that make this language
separate from North Azerbaijani and that's not just script.
On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
On 4 May 2015, at 09:45, Oliver Stegen
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Sorry, Gerard, but I'm voting with MF, mjbmr and
Michael to let Azeri in Latin script keep
az.wikipedia. I also vote for opening a new
wikipedia for Azeri in Arabic script, preferably
az-arab.wikipedia.
I recommend that we go to the community and tell them
that we want to create just that, az-arab.wikipedia,
as the solution that we (the appointed experts) feel
is best for their concerns.
I do not believe you will find them opposing it. If
however we give them a basket of options (some of
which this committee does not support) then we are
only prolonging problems.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
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