2015-05-05 9:30 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <[email protected]>: > Amir, can you give us an update on what happened since that az-wp admin's > ugly action? > > Gerard had proposed that we only act after interacting with the az > communities on their preferences. However, I'm afraid that this will cause > only further division (quite apart from the fact that azj speakers and azb > speakers do not seem to be able to communicate with each other in writing). > So, as has been suggested in an earlier message for LangCom to take action > asap in our role as "appointed experts", I vote to approve the outstanding > request for azb-wp. > > Have I counted correctly that we're now 5 in favour and 1 against? > How much longer must we wait for other LangCom members to cast their vote? >
Often, we wait one week or so for opposes. However, ever since I am a member and also before that, decisions were always taken by consensus, which was interpreted to mean unanimously. > Who is able to implement our decision? Or at least communicate our > decision to those who will implement it? > If we decide to approve a new wiki, we file a bug and developers make it happen. > > > Oliver > > On 04-May-15 10:20 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > > I'm with Antony: what that admin did is ugly and wrong, but it's only a > symptom, and according to what I know about this language, the right > solution to the problem is to split the site, similarly to what is done > with Punjabi and Hindi/Urdu. > > The spoken language may be the same, but the written languages are not, in > practice, mutually intelligible, because the Arabic script is not studied > by people in the Republic of Azerbaijan, and vice-versa, so the languages > are not unique enough to exist within the same site. As I wrote earlier, > I'm surprised that they held together for so long. The codes should be az > and azb. > > There is an outstanding request for azb Wikipedia, and there is an active > localization community, and we should simply approve it. > בתאריך 4 במאי 2015 21:31, "Antony Green" <[email protected]> כתב: > >> If the Azeri Wikipedia community wants separate Wikipedias for Latin and >> Arab script, I'm in favor of doing that, partially because of the >> impossibility of automatic conversion and partially because of the >> linguistic differences between Northern and Southern Azeri, which if I've >> understood the situation correctly are greater in the written language than >> the spoken language. (In this respect the difference between the languages >> is reminiscent of the difference between Hindi and Urdu: the spoken >> languages are largely mutually intelligible, but the written languages are >> not, for one thing because the scripts are different and for another >> because learnèd words are borrowed from different sources.) >> >> If that is the route we go, then I'm in favor of keeping the status quo >> at az-wp, namely that it is written in Northern Azeri (the standard >> language of the Republic of Azerbaijan) in the Latin script; it need not be >> moved to azj. >> >> I would prefer that the Arabic-script Southern Azeri Wikipedia use the >> code azb and not az-Arab. >> >> Best, >> Antony >> >> On 2015-05-04 15:52, Mjbmr wrote: >> >>> South Azerbaijani has a iso 639-3 code and that's azb and not az-arab, >>> there are resources that make this language separate from North Azerbaijani >>> and that's not just script. >>> >>> On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Michael Everson wrote: >>> >>>> On 4 May 2015, at 09:45, Oliver Stegen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sorry, Gerard, but I'm voting with MF, mjbmr and Michael to let Azeri >>>>> in Latin script keep az.wikipedia. I also vote for opening a new wikipedia >>>>> for Azeri in Arabic script, preferably az-arab.wikipedia. >>>>> >>>> I recommend that we go to the community and tell them that we want to >>>> create just that, az-arab.wikipedia, as the solution that we (the appointed >>>> experts) feel is best for their concerns. >>>> >>>> I do not believe you will find them opposing it. If however we give >>>> them a basket of options (some of which this committee does not support) >>>> then we are only prolonging problems. >>>> >>>> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > >
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