Hoi,
Without feedback I am against a new project.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 5 May 2015 at 09:30, Oliver Stegen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Amir, can you give us an update on what happened since that az-wp admin's
> ugly action?
>
> Gerard had proposed that we only act after interacting with the az
> communities on their preferences. However, I'm afraid that this will cause
> only further division (quite apart from the fact that azj speakers and azb
> speakers do not seem to be able to communicate with each other in writing).
> So, as has been suggested in an earlier message for LangCom to take action
> asap in our role as "appointed experts", I vote to approve the outstanding
> request for azb-wp.
>
> Have I counted correctly that we're now 5 in favour and 1 against?
> How much longer must we wait for other LangCom members to cast their vote?
> Who is able to implement our decision? Or at least communicate our
> decision to those who will implement it?
>
> Oliver
>
> On 04-May-15 10:20 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
>
> I'm with Antony: what that admin did is ugly and wrong, but it's only a
> symptom, and according to what I know about this language, the right
> solution to the problem is to split the site, similarly to what is done
> with Punjabi and Hindi/Urdu.
>
> The spoken language may be the same, but the written languages are not, in
> practice, mutually intelligible, because the Arabic script is not studied
> by people in the Republic of Azerbaijan, and vice-versa, so the languages
> are not unique enough to exist within the same site. As I wrote earlier,
> I'm surprised that they held together for so long. The codes should be az
> and azb.
>
> There is an outstanding request for azb Wikipedia, and there is an active
> localization community, and we should simply approve it.
> בתאריך 4 במאי 2015 21:31, "Antony Green" <[email protected]> כתב:
>
>> If the Azeri Wikipedia community wants separate Wikipedias for Latin and
>> Arab script, I'm in favor of doing that, partially because of the
>> impossibility of automatic conversion and partially because of the
>> linguistic differences between Northern and Southern Azeri, which if I've
>> understood the situation correctly are greater in the written language than
>> the spoken language. (In this respect the difference between the languages
>> is reminiscent of the difference between Hindi and Urdu: the spoken
>> languages are largely mutually intelligible, but the written languages are
>> not, for one thing because the scripts are different and for another
>> because learnèd words are borrowed from different sources.)
>>
>> If that is the route we go, then I'm in favor of keeping the status quo
>> at az-wp, namely that it is written in Northern Azeri (the standard
>> language of the Republic of Azerbaijan) in the Latin script; it need not be
>> moved to azj.
>>
>> I would prefer that the Arabic-script Southern Azeri Wikipedia use the
>> code azb and not az-Arab.
>>
>> Best,
>> Antony
>>
>> On 2015-05-04 15:52, Mjbmr wrote:
>>
>>> South Azerbaijani has a iso 639-3 code and that's azb and not az-arab,
>>> there are resources that make this language separate from North Azerbaijani
>>> and that's not just script.
>>>
>>> On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4 May 2015, at 09:45, Oliver Stegen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, Gerard, but I'm voting with MF, mjbmr and Michael to let Azeri
>>>>> in Latin script keep az.wikipedia. I also vote for opening a new wikipedia
>>>>> for Azeri in Arabic script, preferably az-arab.wikipedia.
>>>>>
>>>> I recommend that we go to the community and tell them that we want to
>>>> create just that, az-arab.wikipedia, as the solution that we (the appointed
>>>> experts) feel is best for their concerns.
>>>>
>>>> I do not believe you will find them opposing it. If however we give
>>>> them a basket of options (some of which this committee does not support)
>>>> then we are only prolonging problems.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
>>>>
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