Sorry, Gerard, but I'm voting with MF, mjbmr and Michael to let Azeri in
Latin script keep az.wikipedia. I also vote for opening a new wikipedia
for Azeri in Arabic script, preferably az-arab.wikipedia.
Further reasoning from my side:
Asaf has already informed us that the rogue az:wp admin is to be dealt
with by the stewards. We shouldn't punish an entire community because of
one bad admin. The difficulties of having one Azeri wikipedia for both
communities in different countries reading different scripts have been
amply explained.
Let's not escalate that az:wp admin's confrontation by being even more
confrontational ourselves but rather let's strive to be pragmatic and
conciliatory. Thanks.
Yours for making the entirety of human knowledge available to everyone
on this planet in the language (and script) they understand best,
Oliver
On 04-May-15 1:07 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Our policy is one where one person can derail a decision. We have
stalemats aplenty.
It is for the az.wikipedia community to decide what they want. They
have an option to derail their az.wikipedia or not.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 3 May 2015 at 23:50, MF-Warburg <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
2015-05-03 23:17 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
Hoi,
It is simple. We have a policy. As a consequence of that
policy we did reject a southern Azeri Wikipedia. We did so
because it was included in the az.wikipedia. Now one
administrator decides to force an issue by deleting articles
in the Arabic script. That is not acceptable particularly not
because there was no consensus for him to do so.,
Actually we didn't decide to reject it; the discussion simply fell
asleep because of differing opinions and several unclear things.
The request on Meta is still marked as open.
There is no reason at all to give this silly sod what he
wants. There are multiple options
* they can restore the articles an the az multi script situation
* they can vote to have a separate Northern ie Latn script
Wikipedia
When they have made their choice our policy does deny them the
az,wikipedia because effectively it is a new one., Az is a
macro language code so it is not available.
You do know that the policy says the following?
>> The language must be sufficiently unique that it could not
coexist on a more general wiki. In most cases, this excludes
regional dialects and different written forms of the same language.
* /The degree of difference required is considered on a
case-by-case basis. The committee does not consider political
differences, since the Wikimedia Foundation's goal is to give
every single person free, unbiased access to the sum of all
human knowledge, rather than information from the viewpoint of
individual political communities. <</
In my opinion, the decision must be made on the basis on mutual
intellegibility between the two versions and on practicability of
having two scripts in one wiki. It seems that it is not
practicable here to have two scripts in one wiki, because of the
two versions of the language also differ.
Also, I'm sure you know that wiki renames are at the moment not
possible (<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T21986>). I see no
problem with creating azb, and then later when it is /at all
possible,/ one can think about renaming az to azj as necessary.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 3 May 2015 at 19:41, Michael Everson <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 3 May 2015, at 07:14, Gerard Meijssen
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> I have had some more thoughts on this..
>
> My proposal is to have the az.wikipedia community decide
what it wants...
>
> Do they want a Latin only Wikipedia or not. When
If.
> they do, there Wikipedia will be renamed to Northern
Azerbaijani and they will lose the az code.
No! That’s your agenda. Leave it as it is, take the Arabic
out and put it into a new Wiki. That seems to be what the
users want. They haven’t said “We want to relabel the
languages”. They’ve said they don’t want to mix script
content.
> When
If.
> they want to keep Arabic after all, it is no longer an
option for them to deny content in a legitimate script for
their language.
>
> When
If.
> we agree that this makes sense in the light of our
policy, we will inform the board and give the board two
weeks to express their approval.
>
> We will then put it to the az.wp community and it is for
them to come to a decision they will have to live with.
There will not be any other options considered.
The options are”
1) Do nothing. Keep scripts mixed.
2) Keep az.wikipedia.org <http://az.wikipedia.org> for
Latin. This is a national orthography. Add
azb.wikipedia.org <http://azb.wikipedia.org> or
az-arab.wikipedia.org <http://az-arab.wikipedia.org> for
the Arabic-script version, which is used in Iran.
3) As 2) but deprecate az.wikipedia.org
<http://az.wikipedia.org> for Latin and make them use
asj.wikipedia.org <http://asj.wikipedia.org>. This is a
bad idea.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
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