I don't understand the distinction you are making between "Arabic" and "Standard Arabic" here.
If anything, a written standard form of a language/macrolanguage/dialect continuum is very suitable for having a Wikipedia, precisely because it can unite the efforts of mutually understandable projects into one wiki instead of many. Sotiale Wiki <[email protected]> schrieb am Sa., 26. Aug. 2023, 02:56: > Hi. > > Standard Arabic is arb (Arabic: ara) and still if someone posts a new > language request for Wp/arb, it won't be eligible. Unless the speakers of > Arabic Wikipedia are unable to communicate in Standard Arabic. But I don't > think there's any reason a native speaker of Arabic can't speak Standard > Arabic. So there is no reason for existing Arabic Wikipedia to be > disqualified for this reason, but even so, the Arabic Wikipedia was created > prior to the LPP and is therefore unaffected. > > The requirement to be a distinct language is to ensure that there are no > multiple Wikipedias for a language that is sufficiently communicative at > the dialect level equivalent(If this were incomprehensible to native > speakers, it would have been recognized as a separate language). In > general, these branches are likely for political reasons, which may be > on-wiki as well as off-wiki reasons. This permission of Wikipedia > jeopardizes NPOV by creating Wikipedia with different views of the same > language for that purpose. Even if it has no such purpose, it is likely to > be abused as such. > > Sotiale > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > 바이러스가 > 없습니다.www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > <#m_-4434755659234619680_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > 2023년 8월 26일 (토) 오전 3:32, Anass Sedrati <[email protected]>님이 작성: > >> Hello Sotiale and thank you for your answer, >> >> Sorry for my late reply as I was travelling back from Singapore and had >> also other engagements. >> >> So regarding your argumentation, if you consider zgh not a distinct >> language "because it is just a standard representation of Berber >> languages", then we have also to consider standard Arabic (ISO 639:ara) >> not a distinct language because it is not spoken in any country/region and >> is "a standard representation of Arabic languages". Of course, there are >> many more sources and books in standard Arabic due to religious and >> historical reasons, but it is still a standardized language, and only a >> written one. This said, it will of course never be considered to close the >> Arabic Wikipedia because of it. Therefore, it can be really tricky to base >> the decisions on this argument, although it is understandable that some >> languages are "bigger" or more established than others. What do you think? >> >> Best regards, >> >> Anass >> >> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 3:08 PM MF-Warburg <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> NB: there has also been a discussion at < >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Moroccan_Amazigh#Clerking_note>. >>> I believe there are several requests open for related languages. It would >>> be good to have some clarity to avoid the community being split into >>> multiple incubator test-wikis. >>> >>> Am Fr., 18. Aug. 2023 um 14:38 Uhr schrieb Sotiale Wiki < >>> [email protected]>: >>> >>>> Thank you for your kind explanation. >>>> >>>> If this can be understood as the relationship between Standard Arabic >>>> (ISO 639:arb) and Arabic (ISO 639:ara), then zgh is not a distinct language >>>> because it is just a standard representation of Berber languages. This is >>>> true even in light of the current LPP, which excludes different written >>>> forms of any language. >>>> >>>> Therefore, it seems that eligibility for this language cannot be >>>> recognized. >>>> >>>> Sotiale >>>> >>>> 2023년 8월 16일 (수) 오후 10:48, Anass Sedrati <[email protected]>님이 작성: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I am very familiar with this case as I come myself from Morocco and >>>>> speak Berber. The standard Tamazight ( >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Moroccan_Amazigh) is not a >>>>> spoken language, but only a written one. It was created by the official >>>>> Academy of Berber languages in Morocco ( >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Institute_of_Amazigh_Culture) in >>>>> an attempt to standardize the Berber languages, as there are many of them >>>>> spoken in Morocco (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_languages). >>>>> >>>>> So to answer you, standard Tamazight is exactly like modern standard >>>>> Arabic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Standard_Arabic). It is >>>>> a standardized language with rules, but not a spoken one (nobody speaks >>>>> standard Arabic as a mother tongue, every Arab country has its own >>>>> dialect). >>>>> >>>>> This is to explain that even if it not native, Zgh can be treated as >>>>> modern standard Arabic in terms of linguistics. I hope that this gives a >>>>> bit of context, but I am happy to expand on any aspect if you have >>>>> additional questions! >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Anass >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 3:00 PM Sotiale Wiki <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not familiar with the Moroccan languages, so I'd love to hear >>>>>> from other colleagues. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm considering this language project as a potential candidate for >>>>>> approval, but I'm wondering if this is a standardization of other >>>>>> languages, or a distinct language from others? >>>>>> >>>>>> Since this site[1] states that there are no native speakers, I >>>>>> wondered if this was just standardization of other languages(the case >>>>>> that >>>>>> native speakers have a standardized language while using their own >>>>>> languages). >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/zgh/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Sotiale >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>>>> 바이러스가 >>>>>> 없습니다.www.avast.com >>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>>>> <#m_-4434755659234619680_m_3445872535440906073_m_5983961874573513948_m_-52777032840040729_m_-1496450384923849562_m_5794971244151197459_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing list -- [email protected] >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------- >>>>> *Anass SEDRATI* >>>>> *(+46) 70 508 51 07* >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list -- [email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list -- [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >> >> >> -- >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> *Anass SEDRATI* >> *(+46) 70 508 51 07* >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >
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