Hello Jon, Yes I confirm that I can verify the content (although I am not active in that Wiki due to lack of time mainly). I can check it in some weeks (now fully occupied with Indaba preparations), and I can return to you with a status about it.
Thank you for your trust! Best regards, Anass On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 3:23 PM Jon Harald Søby <jhs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello folks, > > I would like to suggest the approval of this test wiki. Any objections? > Anass can surely verify the content personally, I don't think we need any > external verification in this case. > > lør. 26. aug. 2023 kl. 12:48 skrev Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: > >> Hoi, >> There may be some who consider languages in the Arabic family as >> ineligible. This is not the case, one example is the Egyptian Arabic >> Wikipedia. The notion that everyone who speaks one kind of Arabic >> understands every other version of Arabic is wrong. >> >> There are many languages derived from Arabic, all have their own ISO code >> they may all have their own dialects. The notion of politics is EXACTLY why >> many people want to standardise on one Arabic Wikipedia. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 at 02:56, Sotiale Wiki <sotiale...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> Standard Arabic is arb (Arabic: ara) and still if someone posts a new >>> language request for Wp/arb, it won't be eligible. Unless the speakers of >>> Arabic Wikipedia are unable to communicate in Standard Arabic. But I don't >>> think there's any reason a native speaker of Arabic can't speak Standard >>> Arabic. So there is no reason for existing Arabic Wikipedia to be >>> disqualified for this reason, but even so, the Arabic Wikipedia was created >>> prior to the LPP and is therefore unaffected. >>> >>> The requirement to be a distinct language is to ensure that there are no >>> multiple Wikipedias for a language that is sufficiently communicative at >>> the dialect level equivalent(If this were incomprehensible to native >>> speakers, it would have been recognized as a separate language). In >>> general, these branches are likely for political reasons, which may be >>> on-wiki as well as off-wiki reasons. This permission of Wikipedia >>> jeopardizes NPOV by creating Wikipedia with different views of the same >>> language for that purpose. Even if it has no such purpose, it is likely to >>> be abused as such. >>> >>> Sotiale >>> >>> >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>> 바이러스가 >>> 없습니다.www.avast.com >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>> <#m_-691553891053305514_m_922395621415868508_m_8888600196279916464_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> 2023년 8월 26일 (토) 오전 3:32, Anass Sedrati <sedra...@gmail.com>님이 작성: >>> >>>> Hello Sotiale and thank you for your answer, >>>> >>>> Sorry for my late reply as I was travelling back from Singapore and had >>>> also other engagements. >>>> >>>> So regarding your argumentation, if you consider zgh not a distinct >>>> language "because it is just a standard representation of Berber >>>> languages", then we have also to consider standard Arabic (ISO >>>> 639:ara) not a distinct language because it is not spoken in any >>>> country/region and is "a standard representation of Arabic languages". Of >>>> course, there are many more sources and books in standard Arabic due to >>>> religious and historical reasons, but it is still a standardized language, >>>> and only a written one. This said, it will of course never be considered to >>>> close the Arabic Wikipedia because of it. Therefore, it can be really >>>> tricky to base the decisions on this argument, although it is >>>> understandable that some languages are "bigger" or more established than >>>> others. What do you think? >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Anass >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 3:08 PM MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> NB: there has also been a discussion at < >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Moroccan_Amazigh#Clerking_note>. >>>>> I believe there are several requests open for related languages. It would >>>>> be good to have some clarity to avoid the community being split into >>>>> multiple incubator test-wikis. >>>>> >>>>> Am Fr., 18. Aug. 2023 um 14:38 Uhr schrieb Sotiale Wiki < >>>>> sotiale...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for your kind explanation. >>>>>> >>>>>> If this can be understood as the relationship between Standard Arabic >>>>>> (ISO 639:arb) and Arabic (ISO 639:ara), then zgh is not a distinct >>>>>> language >>>>>> because it is just a standard representation of Berber languages. This is >>>>>> true even in light of the current LPP, which excludes different written >>>>>> forms of any language. >>>>>> >>>>>> Therefore, it seems that eligibility for this language cannot be >>>>>> recognized. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sotiale >>>>>> >>>>>> 2023년 8월 16일 (수) 오후 10:48, Anass Sedrati <sedra...@gmail.com>님이 작성: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am very familiar with this case as I come myself from Morocco and >>>>>>> speak Berber. The standard Tamazight ( >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Moroccan_Amazigh) is not a >>>>>>> spoken language, but only a written one. It was created by the official >>>>>>> Academy of Berber languages in Morocco ( >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Institute_of_Amazigh_Culture) >>>>>>> in an attempt to standardize the Berber languages, as there are many of >>>>>>> them spoken in Morocco ( >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_languages). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So to answer you, standard Tamazight is exactly like modern standard >>>>>>> Arabic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Standard_Arabic). It >>>>>>> is a standardized language with rules, but not a spoken one (nobody >>>>>>> speaks >>>>>>> standard Arabic as a mother tongue, every Arab country has its own >>>>>>> dialect). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is to explain that even if it not native, Zgh can be treated as >>>>>>> modern standard Arabic in terms of linguistics. I hope that this gives a >>>>>>> bit of context, but I am happy to expand on any aspect if you have >>>>>>> additional questions! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anass >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 3:00 PM Sotiale Wiki <sotiale...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not familiar with the Moroccan languages, so I'd love to hear >>>>>>>> from other colleagues. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm considering this language project as a potential candidate for >>>>>>>> approval, but I'm wondering if this is a standardization of other >>>>>>>> languages, or a distinct language from others? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since this site[1] states that there are no native speakers, I >>>>>>>> wondered if this was just standardization of other languages(the case >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> native speakers have a standardized language while using their own >>>>>>>> languages). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/zgh/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sotiale >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>>>>>> 바이러스가 >>>>>>>> 없습니다.www.avast.com >>>>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>>>>>> <#m_-691553891053305514_m_922395621415868508_m_8888600196279916464_m_3445872535440906073_m_5983961874573513948_m_-52777032840040729_m_-1496450384923849562_m_5794971244151197459_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> *Anass SEDRATI* >>>>>>> *(+46) 70 508 51 07* >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ----------------------------------------------------- >>>> *Anass SEDRATI* >>>> *(+46) 70 508 51 07* >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> > > > -- > mvh > Jon Harald Søby > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > -- ----------------------------------------------------- *Anass SEDRATI* *(+46) 70 508 51 07*
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