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>moonshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>> Often the same thing, Mac. Anybody involved in R&D can tell you about the
>> fights over funding.
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>Only so many tax dollars to go around.
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>> I was a technical program manager for Rome Air Development Center, which was
>> one of the main Air Force research laboratories. Our particular franchise
>> was the development of digital cartographic and geodetic data for automated
>> guidance systems. A spinoff to civilian use that people here are likely
>> familiar with is the geopositioning satellite data.
>I worked with NavSat and Sins while serving in the Navy on board a nuclear sub.
>> The hype vastly exaggerates a milestone that may indeed prove fruitful in
>> the future. It far too early to talk about a cure. Responsible researchers
>> have indeed noted that but the sensationalism of the press accounts drowns
>> out the cautions.
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>Exactly the point. The press made leaps that the researches didn't. The
media >put their spin on the story but in no way does that point towards a hoax.
So the reporters tell a different story than the results of a test would
support and you see no problem?
That is the problem.
>The finding's were reported and to me they show promise.
Promise of what? Curing mice?
The dump is littered with drugs that showed early promise of doing all sorts
of things.
Apparently we know now we can cause up to 98% remission of tumors of
specially-bred mice with certain tumors. As far as I can see that is all we
know for sure.
>Do you believe that the doctor has fudged the results to gain more funding?
There are cases of fraud in science but I have made no charges. It is you
who know people are stupid and ignorant and lying. I have to have better
evidence.
>> Mac, you are the one who is slinging around words like charlatan and stupid.
>> The "major step" you see appears to me a small milestone on a decades-long
>> process that may or may not prove successful in the long run.
>
>Stupid I'm not. I'm asking you a legitimate question. If you can't answer
it >then say so.
As far as I know I answered every question posed to the best of my ability.
>I am not alone in looking at this as a major breakthrough. You may see it
as a >small step But the leaders in this field offer a different opinion.
The "leaders in this field?" Could you please tell me how you determined
that all these "leaders in this field" have determined that there is a major
breakthrough as shown by this set of test results? I don't have the
information on "leaders in this field." I don't have a comprehensive survey
of what they think and how they compare the status of these drugs to others
in research.
> I don't think your qualifications
>nullify their opinion as easy as you believe.
Well yes I can see that as long as you find I am stupid and ignorant and
lying and whatever without knowing anything at all about me that you might
not think much of anything I write.
>> Again you are the one using words like quack and witch doctor for the
>> researchers. I didn't. Hucksterism of serious research may not always be
>> the best way to inform the public. Publication in scientific journals I can
>> assure you will be considerably more circumspect.
>I was making an analogy. It's obvious that you cannot discuss this issue
>intelligently.you have made some pretty strong statements that you can't
back >up. you have done this many times before and my earlier post about you
have >just been proven by you yourself.
>How's the taste of shoe leather?
Beats me.
>> >You may believe in your heart that this is a hoax
>> >but the facts are pointing in the opposite direction.
>> >...Mac
>>
>> Perhaps you will share with us your experience, knowledge or informed
>> opinion that leads you to the conclusion that a breakthrough has been
>> achieved. I recall many, e.g. interferon, monoclonal antibodies, cancer
>> vaccines, applications of light and even heat treatment. Numerous research
>> efforts are continuing on these and many others.
>
>From the reports I've seen the combination of the two drugs used together
were >successful. From what I remember this was not done before or
something to >that effect.
What has not been done before?
Remission of tumors has been accomplished by other drugs.
>I have personel knowledge of the research and use of interferon in clinical
>studies and the use of it in combating Hepatitis and MS. The success ratio
is >slowly improving in both these instances.
>...Mac
In real live people incidentally other drugs have caused complete remission
of turmors.
Best, Terry
"Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary
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