Mike wrote: > I'm probably a dinosaur, and my time has passed. :-(
Mike, cut yourself some slack. You are not a dinosaur. But you are clearly discouraged, not suprising given all you have to personally deal with. But if there is any way you can avoid projecting onto the project your own personal discouragement, you would see things are not so bad. Not bad at all. You would also see how much your efforts here are appreciated. We DO appreciate appreciate your efforts maintaining the site, but I have to say your comments on development models make no sense at all. (But my appreciation for your leaf support is not diminished at all by my thinking your ideas on development models make no sense!) > In other words, a monolithic development model defined by the > Bering-uClibc team. They have defined no such thing. They have simply pointed out that Bering uClibc is currently dominant because it is active. They have done or said nothing to block variations, forks, other flavors, or further evolution. All they have done is provide strong leadership for pulling together what interests them. Open source developers do what interests them for their own reasons. They don't fit in to an abstract development model that someone proposes. I know what I'm talking about. I've been the leader of an open source project that wikipedia calls one of the three longest running still active open source projects (DOS fractal generator Fractint). The project started in about 1988 - so it's been going for 18 years, and amazingly enough, still has an active following. In all that time many people proposed that we do this, do that, adopt this architecture, that platform. Those are just empty words. In the end what actually happened was driven by who was willing to work, and what interested them, and how much skill they had to implement their vision. That cast of characters changed over the years just like it has here. What I am saying is that the Leaf development model is evolutionary whether anyone says so or not or likes it or not. That's the way it is. Nobody has the power to make it anything else. Even an ideologue who wants to control things can't. Ask Dave Cinege! For the record, I currently have an old PC running Charles Steinkuehler's port to leaf of the thttpd web server running on Oxygen on a DMZ. My router is a completely up to date Bering uClibc running on a soekris box - it has "evolved" over the years starting with Eigerstein on an old 486 (the PC I used for the fractint project years ago), and I've been migrating ever since. Sure I wish Charles, David D., and Jacques had decided to maintain their leaf branches, but like everyone else they do what their time, interests, and priorities permit. I'm sure glad the Bering uClibc team did what they did. I can't see the future, but whatever happens with leaf, it will be driven by those who have an interest they want to pursue, and who are willing and able. Meanwhile, Mike, I hope you realize how important your role is. For the last few years my role in my own project has been to maintain a modest web site and run two mailing lists. That's at least half of what it takes to keep a project alive. My unsolicited advice is enjoy what you have and what leaf is, don't regret what you aren't and leaf isn't, take pride in what you have accomplished, and continue to contribute as you can and as you wish. I suggest you not worry about development models, but continue to be as inviting and accomodating as possible to anyone who seems interested in helping. Tim Wegner ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ leaf-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
