Of course another scenario is that one or both parties had no intention of making a deal and priced themselves out of it.
I wouldn't put it past us to offer less than the going rate if we thought we could do better elsewhere or if the manager just doesn't rate the player, and I certainly wouldn't put it past a player to ask for too much if they want away or don't rate the manager. I think both clubs and players do this all the time to manipulate / appease us fans. I have no idea if any of that has been going on and we'll never know the truth. All we know is that, for whatever reason, we've lost BJ and will probably loose Killkenny. I'm not bothered about BJ, but I will be gutted to loose Killkenny but cest la vie! We've lost better player in the past and will loose better players in the future. Who knows, we may well come back stronger next season. I'm looking forward to seeing who Grayson brings in. As much as he was a bit lightweight I would take Bannen for one. With a bit of toughening up I think he could be quality. Si. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark Humphries Sent: 10 June 2011 20:31 To: 'Ian Murray'; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LU] Johnson, Kilkenny and the "market rate" Of course it is negotiating. First of all, anyone with any negotiating credentials will tell you that you always have a "walk away" figure... an absolute level beyond which you will not go. 'Negotiating' is all about getting a deal either to suit yourself regardless of the other party (win-lose), or attempting to find a mutually agreeable figure (win-win). So, if, for arguments sake, Leeds top figure was £7k a week, players agent lowest was £8k, then a deal is never going to be done. Obviously these deals arent just about the base salary, and there are often other areas to negotiate upon.. but it seems here that Leeds ceiling was too low for the players. Furthermore, it is a simple negotiating option/tactic whether you try and piss about by offering a lower amount with a view to hopefully meeting in the middle, or you just want to cut to the chase and tell the other party exactly what your ceiling is. By doing the latter you save time, and in our situation it is an advantage as it is better to know sooner rather than later whether the player is going to re-sign or not.. because if not you can spend your efforts looking elsewhere. I am sure these players were offered 'fair' wages in relation to the club pay structure, their place in the squad, and their age/experience. So, what Bates did is called negotiation, and is a valid form of negotiation given the circumstances (and who knows, there may have been some pissing about on negotiation over the last year until Leeds got up to their ceiling - making their last final offer). I can understand BJ holding out, if he is off to Norwich he will be getting more.. but Kilkenny? How much more is he going to get at another championship club? _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
