The original 13 states seceded from the British empire. At one point
Georgia threatened to secede from the C.S.A. Perhaps had the C.S.A.
won the war at some point some states in the C.S.A. would have
seceded. What is now West VA seceded from VA. Va has been reduced in
size more than any state. In the 18th century VA made up what
eventually became about 7 or 8 other states. During the 18th century
Detroit which became part of Michigan was part of VA. What is now
eastern Michigan (the lower p) was part of VA.
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--- In [email protected], "terry12622000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There would be no war if the government or property owner in
question
> is allowed to secede. As Jeff pointed out the constitution does
not
> forbid a state from seceding, some of the states clearly reserved
> that right as a condition of signing the
> constitution.
> Even if prepretual union meant that secession was not allowed
> under the Articles the Constitution was not an amendment of the
> Articles, so the Articles has no bearing on the contractual
> relationship of the Constitution. You also need to take into
account
> the words in some of the state constitution which basically
reconizes
> secession and even dissolvement of the state
> government.
> It also pays to understand that the state governments
were
> not governments of We the people as in all the voting age adults
and
> thus the federal government was not by consent of we the people
since
> the state governments were not. I think in 1790 less than a third
of
> the voting age adults agreed to state hood in my state and in some
> counties it was much less than that.Best I remember the majority
who
> could vote carried in only the Eastern Counties of TN, the middle
> counties and western counties it did not even carry a majority of
> those who could vote. Of course the Eastern Counties had the most
> voters.--- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Here's the problem. The Articles of Confederation or
association
> states
> > that the former colonies which became states were a "perpetual
> union" and then
> > the successor constitution described the states as a "more
perfect
> union".
> > Then there is the 10th amendment to the constitution which sets
a
> mechanism on
> > certain things that have to go through congress.
> >
> > So what is the mechanism for secession short of civil war?
David
> H.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/25/05 7:22:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > I think the right of secession extends even lower than the
state
> > governments all the way down to a single property owner. Now
the
> > Merriam- Webster defines sovereighty as the ablity to govern
> without
> > external force, that can be a country of 300 million, a state
of
> > 500,000, a country with the population of Lieninstein, an area
the
> size
> > of the Vatican ( which I think is 80 acres) or even a single
> family
> > with less than 5 acres if that family can govern without
external
> > force. If that family runs the Bates Motel and they knock off
> their
> > customers it is very likely they can not govern without
external
> force.
> > If they run a nice place then I see no reason why they should
not
> be
> > reconnized as a sovereirnity ( a mans home is his castle and
thus
> his
> > sovereign domain) The right of sovereignty and nullification by
> juries
> > and nullfication of federal laws by state governments are
> necessary
> > checks against power.---
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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