I want to force others to not force things on others Terry. I have 
the belief, perhaps deranged who knows, that we are not Angels, and 
I believe you know the Madison quote. 

I believe there is a role for limited goverment, and part of it 
should be using the credible initiation of force to prevent the 
initiation of force, as oxymoronic as that must sound. Further more 
I believe that there are many real issues, such as enviromental 
protection vs anarcho-captilism that are a real conflicting issue in 
the NAP/ZAP world of theory as both sides can argue it is the other 
initiating force against them. These cases mean that, for a true 
philosophical triumph the philosophy needs to be rethought.

--- In [email protected], "Terry L Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Uncoolrabbit, hate's got nothing to do with it!  
> 
> You seem to be confusing the advocacy of ideals vs advocacy of 
> various implementation approaches.  
> 
> But, I will ask you: what initiation, or credible threat of 
> initiation, of physical force against an innocent person or their 
> justly held possession, do YOU want to advocate?  
> 
> 
> -Terry Liberty Parker 
> 'Real World' experiment in LIBERTARIAN community became famous
> at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyProspects/message/2569 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <uncoolrabbit@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > 'Freedom' to violate you and yours
> > is at the heart of UNLIMITED 'libertarianism'
> > 
> > In an apparent attempt to impose
> > the continuing philosophic idealogy
> > of extreem libertarianism, there is a push
> > to demonize the pragmatists who seek real change. 
> >  Now that the comfortable obscurity of Libertariansm
> > has essentially fallen, the banner of 'liberty' becomes
> > a hijacking target of the 'consistant libertarians.'  
Aggressors  
> who 
> > eagerly want to maintain that only they know what truely 
> is 'liberty'
> > with no 'exceptions' to what they want to see construed as THE
> > UNIVERSAL view of libertarianism.
> > 
> > 
> > Don't hate me Terry :)
> >
>






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