the aribtrary is that it is taking property without rational 
justification. The government must be able to convince a jury of 12 
average rational people and convince all 12 why the government is due 
a portion of someone's property. If the government can not present a 
good enough case to convince a jury of 12 people, then the defendent 
owes no 
tax.                                                                  
     Paul, we  do not have jury  authority here but we have much more 
than 12 rational members on this board.  Can you and others who are 
for taxes convice a jury of 12 rational board members that a  
specific person or business owes the government taxes and give detail 
of the correct amount owed.?          --- In 
[email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's not arbitrary (it would apply to everyone and be a flat rate),
> it's not force (people could choose not to import goods and to buy
> domestic instead), is absolutely just, and does not infringe on the
> rights of anyone.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <cottondrop@>
> wrote:
> >
> > It is not fair because it is not just, it is aribtrary without 
proper 
> > due process.--- In [email protected], "Paul" 
> > <ptireland@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe it's 3% of the value of the goods in the country 
where you
> > > bought them.  Right now, there are different tariffs among 
different
> > > countries.  Some tariffs are over 100% of the cost of the 
goods, 
> > while
> > > other countries pay nothing.  A flat 3% tariff would be fair for
> > > EVERYONE involved.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In [email protected], <boyd.w.smith@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 3% based upon what?  Price paid?  Price sold for?  The 
> > difference? 
> > > What about personal use property?  What about labor?
> > > > 
> > > > BWS
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Paul <ptireland@>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:45 am
> > > > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Immigration
> > > > 
> > > > > Libertarians (like Harry Browne) support a non-
protectionist 
> > flat 3%
> > > > > tariff on all imported goods which would not hamper 
anyone's 
> > ability
> > > > > to compete in the market and would be fair.  I guess that 
way 
> > you
> > > > > wouldn't have tariff schedules.  Or if we want to write 3% 
in
> > > > > different languages, I suppose it would be in the language 
of 
> > the
> > > > > nation in which the goods are originating.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Cory Nott" <corynott@> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While I agree with much of what you have written here, 
I'm 
> > wondering
> > > > > - what
> > > > > > language should the tariff schedules be printed in if and 
> > when 
> > > > > we have a
> > > > > > libertarian government?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >   From: [email protected]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Behalf Of Paul
> > > > > >   Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:09 PM
> > > > > >   To: [email protected]
> > > > > >   Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Immigration
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   False.  English is not the common language of America.  
> > > > > America has no
> > > > > >   common language.  The language of America is English, 
> > Spanish, 
> > > > > French,>   German, Dutch, Greek, Italian, Polish, Chinese, 
> > > > > Vietnamese, Japanese,
> > > > > >   Russian, Swedish, Hindu, Arabic, Hebrew, etc.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   Many Mexican people have learned English, and many 
don't.  
> > The 
> > > > > same>   was true of the European immigrants.  Some of them 
> > didn't 
> > > > > learn>   English for several generations.  Most were 
treated 
> > > > > harshly and they
> > > > > >   retreated into neighborhoods of their own people to 
escape 
> > > > > from this
> > > > > >   kind of oppression.  They felt welcome with their own 
> > people 
> > > > > and their
> > > > > >   own language, even in a new country.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   Learning English doesn't make you more American.  It 
> > doesn't 
> > > > > mean you
> > > > > >   try harder.  English is most certainly not the common 
> > language 
> > > > > either.> 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ForumWebSiteAt  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian  
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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