Can you prove the Japanese government has the legitmate authority to charge me, can you convince all 12 members of a jury and if can you convince them of that, can you convince them that the amount the japanese government is charging me is justfied, that it is just?--- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you grow turnips in your garden, they are domestic turnips and you > have nothing to worry about. If you try to sell your Turnips in > Japan, you must pay for the PRIVILEGE. > > > > --- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <cottondrop@> > wrote: > > > > I can voluntarly avoid eating 2 turnips from my garden instead of 1 > > but I perfer to have 2 and noone has a right to tell me I can't eat > > two on my own property, or selling the turnips on my property to > > someone else, either way it is coresive to charge me a tax, it is > > clearly intation of force and I have a right to defend myself if > > someone trys to collect by use of force, unless they can show all 12 > > members of a jury why I owe the tax but I have a right to an appeal > > if the jury decesion goes against > > me. > > Paul it is called due process, Someone can't just claim I owe a tax > > unless you can prove before a jury of 12 of my peers why I owe the > > debt and how much I owe. If anyone try to enforce me to pay without > > proving their case before a jury I have a right to defend myself.- -- > > In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > > > All advocates of libertarianism accept the non-aggression principle > > as the defining characteristic that determines whether or not a > > perspective is libertarian. This is what the LP pledge means. Those > > that don't, aren't being consistent with libertarianism. > > > > > > I happen to agree with Harry Browne's words that tariffs are not > > > perfect, but they are better than everything else, but I disagree > > that > > > tariffs are even the slightest bit coercive or anything even > > remotely > > > connected to an initiation of force. > > > > > > Anything that can be voluntarily avoided is not an initiation of > > > force. For instance if someone sees a short toll road owned by a > > > private corporation or a longer path that is free, and they choose > > to > > > take the toll road, they have no valid complaints when it comes to > > > paying it. They weren't forced to choose that road. They could > > have > > > avoided it by taking the other road, but they CHOSE the short path. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Thomas L. Knapp" > > > <thomaslknapp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Quoth Paul Ireland: > > > > > > > > > Libertarians (like Harry Browne) support a non- protectionist > > flat 3% > > > > > tariff on all imported goods which would not hamper anyone's > > ability > > > > > to compete in the market and would be fair. > > > > > > > > Some Libertarians (including the late Harry Browne) support (ed) a > > > > tariff. Some don't. > > > > > > > > Either way, saying that Libertarians support a tariff is very > > > > different from saying taht Libertarians regard a tariff as being > > > > consistent with the non-aggression principle. Not all Libertarians > > > > accept the non-aggression principle as a criterion of what > > constitutes > > > > libertarianism. Some who do accept it posit a necessary > > transitional > > > > period from here to "libertopia." So far as I know, you're the > > only > > > > person who tries to put over the absurd proposition that tariffs > > are > > > > "non-coercive." > > > > > > > > Browne certainly didn't regard tariffs as non-coercive -- as a > > matter > > > > of fact, he made it clear that he regarded them as just a "lesser > > > > evil" to be accepted during a transition: > > > > > > > > "Tariffs (or 'duties') are taxes on imports. A tariff isn't > > a 'good' > > > > tax; it's just a tax. But the government can collect it without > > > > sending IRS agents to snoop through your records. Until we find a > > way > > > > to finance government without taxes or a way to assure our safety > > > > without any government, some form of taxation will be necessary. > > And > > > > my choice is to use tariffs and excise taxes -- as the Founding > > > > Fathers did." > > > > > > > > -- "Freedom to work, to earn and to buy," from _The Great > > Libertarian > > > > Offer_, by Harry Browne, > > http://www.harrybrowne.org/GLO/FreeTrade.htm > > > > > > > > Tom Knapp > > > > > > > > > >
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