[Libertarian] Re: Yet more progress in Iraq; Libertarians silent

Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:34:13 -0700

I must agree with you here Eric.  I had issues with the war and still
do, but we are at war and must hope to achieve our objectives and
quit harping on the past.  I suppose my logic here would be: although
I have issues with the origins of the war, defeat at the hands of
Islamo-Fascists, irregardless of the pretext for war, is certainly
far worse than winning the war and achieving our said objectives,
irregardless of my personal disagreements.  

I simply find it amusing that those in this forum who front liberty
and freedom as their mantra, loathe the attempted spread of such
liberties to others.  I believe Paul claimed that not 1 American life
would be worth achieving our objectives in Iraq.  I find such remarks
personnally offensive, because I percieve the political pretext to
such a  statement to have an underlying sentiment that liberty and
freedom is reserved simply for us, even if that is not what leftist
libertarians actually believe.

William

--- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Of course you're not concerned about it, because it directly
> disproves y'all's point; that we're losing the War in Iraq. 
>
> You guys on the Libertarian Left will never be satisfied.  We could
> pull out in 6 months.  The Iraqis could praise America for
> liberating their country.  We could have full-Democracy in Iraq. 
> Women could have full rights.  The schools in Iraq could be full of
> children learning and studying.  Iraqi infrastructure could be
> totally rebuilt, and STILL y'all will find something to bitch about.
>
> Admit it.  There's absolutely nothing that could satisfy you and
> your side regarding Iraq. 
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "hrearden_hr" <HRearden@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], Eric Dondero <ericdondero@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > This morning we learn that Al Jaffari has stepped aside and a
> new
> > Prime Minister has been elected in Iraq.  Shots of Iraqi election
> > ballots being counted shown on Fox News.  But where are the
> > Libertarians?
> >
> >
> > My response: How many ballots were cast? How many participated in
> > this alleged election? Wouldn't a Prime Minister be elected by
the
> > mp's who are party members of the party that holds the majorty of
> > seats in Parliament if a former PM stepped aside? I don't know
who
> > this Al Jaffari is. Al is a European/American name for a man and
> is
> > usually short for Albert or Alvin. It seems odd that an Iraqi
> would
> > have the first name Al. Libertarians like myself are not
concerned
> > about a PM being elected in Iraq. PM are not elected by direct
> > election btw, usually the leader of a party that is in the
> majority
> > is automatically the PM.
> >
> >                    $
> >
> >
> >
> > >    Eric Stated:
> > >   Why no kudos to the Iraqis for a job well done in
establishing
> > democracy?
> >
> > My response: First of all has a democracy been established in
> Iraq?
> > Secondly even if a democracy has been established in Iraq is that
> > something to celebrate? A democracy means that 51% of a
population
> > can violate the rights of the other 49% of the population. I
would
> > prefer a constitutional republic that is very limited and small
> and
> > stays that way to a democracy as far as governments go.
> >
> >                     $
> >
> >
> >   Eric stated:
> > >   
> > >   How sad.  Even when liberty is on the rise, your average
> > > Libertarian can't find anything to cheer about. 
> >
> > My response: On the rise where?
> >
> >                $
> >
>







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