>
> Wow, you couldn't have disproven yourself better.
>
> He starts off by saying..."Except that liberty has not been 'imposed'
> on anyone." and then immediately disproves himself by saying,
> "Saddam's regime was removed at the point of a gun."
>
Whatever tortured logic required to come to the conclusion that
deposing Saddam is "imposing liberty," or that liberty can even be
"imposed" at all, is beyond reason.
> Then he ignores the fact that the people of Iraq weren't allowed to
> vote for Saddam during their election, that their free press was shut
> down, that innocent people were imprisoned and tortured for more than
> a year without doing anything as much as jay walking, that the doors
> of homes were kicked in, searched, that people holding cell phones
> while bombs went off were shot, that America's actions have caused
> Iraq to be infested with terrorists (including the USA), etc.
>
> Each and every single thing done in Iraq was at the point of a gun,
> none of it was in America's defense, and none of it was what the Iraqi
> people wanted.
Seems you've ignored (again) the voice of the people who actually live
in Iraq. They're responses to the question of life being better
before or after Saddam was removed, in a variety of polls, has varied
from slightly over 50% to nearly 80% saying life is better post-Saddam.
I'm sure they'd be happier to have the people America
> murdered alive.
This is just plain stupid, anti-Americanism. Once again ignoring the
fact that while the Iraqi people want the US to either finish and go
home, or just go home, they a FAR from wanting to have Americans
murdered (wheather alive or dead).
>
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "Geof Gibson" <geofgibson@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "kiddleddee" <kiddleddee@> wrote:
> > Liberty
> > > is "reserved" for everyone who embraces it, but not to anyone
who has
> > > it imposed at the point of a gun.
> > >
> >
> > Except that liberty has not been 'imposed' on anyone.
> > Saddam's regime was removed at the point of a gun. Since that time,
> > the only attempt to 'impose' anything has been by the Islamo-fascist
> > elements in country and imported from Iran, Jordan, Syria, and Saudi
> > Arabia.
> >
> > This should not be interpreted as a defense of the principle to send
> > the military to Iraq, but we should be truthful and avoid the
> > anti-American propaganda which tries to claim moral equivalence
> > between the US and real tyrannies which actually impose oppression on
> > their citizens.
> >
> > And please, before y'all start posting about how 'tyranny has taken
> > over in the US,' just stop and tell me, are you living in the US or
> > China? Cuba, perhaps? How about North Korea? Get a little
> > perspective before you trot out the old moral equivalence cannards of
> > the '60s.
> >
>
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