> Back to the point, a principle that many here, I
> think even Paul, have claimed to support is tracing initiation of
> force to its source in determing who is the agressor, or where the
> agression is comming from.
>
> In the case of Abortion, were is the agression comming from, is it
> comming from the child? Not hardly, the child did not exhist prior
> to conception and had no conscious part in it. It was actions taken
> by the parents that are responsible for its very being. This is an
> important to mention, responsible, as the are responsible for this
> life.
>
> The fetus, for Paul who enjoys the term, is alive, and abortion
> terminates that life, it kills the fetus, who is not responsible for
> the condition of the mother. The agression is the act of the
> responsible party, terminating the very exhistance of the 2nd party
> to avoid there own responsibilities and consequences of there
> actions. Nothing could be to me, more unlibertarian.
A fair argument, but you're missing the point of contention.
No one (at least no sane person with even a rudimentary knowledge of
biology) denies that the fetus is "alive."
What those libertarians who hold that abortion should not be
interfered with believe is that the fetus is not a _person_, with
_rights_.
If it isn't, then there is no "aggression" involved -- it's no
different in principle than having a tumor or a wart removed, and it
would be aggression to forcibly prevent it.
On the other hand, if it _is_ a person, with rights, then there may or
may not be aggression to deal with, at several points and involving
any or several of the involved parties.
Without rehearsing my own views on the subject in detail, the main
thing I'd like to point out is that this is an argument over questions
of specific fact and implementation, not an argument over principle.
Both pro-life and pro-choice libertarians (of the Non-Aggression
Principle variety) eschew and condemn the initiation of force -- what
they disagree on is the status of the fetus (person or non-person),
and it is on that question that subsequent questions of whether or not
force is being initiated hinge.
> Also, I just want to say, if I haven't before, that I love hearing
> from you on the board Thomas.
Likewise!
Regards,
Tom Knapp
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