pregnant woman. Not yours, not mine, and not the American people's.
No position other than full support for the right of women to have an
abortion at any state of pregnancy from conception to birth is a
libertarian one. No claims that a fetus has human rights have any
more merit than claiming a tapeworm or a tumor has human rights.
--- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Opinions are worthless Paul, every one has atleast a few. You gave
> me your opinion, legislation written on opinion rather than factual
> logic is no diferent than the conservative right's imposition of
> morale laws, or the lefts imposiiton of rob from the rich steal from
> the poor and is in every way shape and form the tool of a statist.
>
> --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote:
> >
> > In the case of abortion, there is no aggression directed at a
> child.
> > There is no child to aggress against. A fetus is alive in the same
> > way a tumor is alive. Both have human dna cells. Both have the
> same
> > amount of human life....NONE.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <uncoolrabbit@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > The other day I remembered why I was drawn to Libertarianism. A
> > > friend, who is republican, said that there needs to be a dress
> code
> > > in schools. (He is a teacher). I asked why, he said the other
> day a
> > > kid came in wearing a shirt that said 'buck fuddy'. I asked him
> > > what that means, and he went on a tiraid of cliches rather than
> > > explaining why he felt that there should be a dress code, and
> asked
> > > me why I 'took the kids side.' I said I haven't taken a side,
> but
> > > the default should always be that people have there own personal
> > > freedoms.
> > >
> > > There is alot of room in Libertarianism for logic, a person can
> do
> > > anything that does not hurt anouther. I believe a real
> philosophical
> > > victory would come from adhering to a policy on defending
> liberty
> > > within the confines of not injuring others. There is alot to be
> said
> > > on both sides here, so we must, to achieve a 'philosophical
> triumph'
> > > hold to our philosophical values, as you Terry said to me, what
> was
> > > it, something to the effect of if you do not stand for something
> you
> > > stand for nothing? Back to the point, a principle that many
> here, I
> > > think even Paul, have claimed to support is tracing initiation
> of
> > > force to its source in determing who is the agressor, or where
> the
> > > agression is comming from.
> > >
> > > In the case of Abortion, were is the agression comming from, is
> it
> > > comming from the child? Not hardly, the child did not exhist
> prior
> > > to conception and had no conscious part in it. It was actions
> taken
> > > by the parents that are responsible for its very being. This is
> an
> > > important to mention, responsible, as the are responsible for
> this
> > > life.
> > >
> > > The fetus, for Paul who enjoys the term, is alive, and abortion
> > > terminates that life, it kills the fetus, who is not responsible
> for
> > > the condition of the mother. The agression is the act of the
> > > responsible party, terminating the very exhistance of the 2nd
> party
> > > to avoid there own responsibilities and consequences of there
> > > actions. Nothing could be to me, more unlibertarian.
> > >
> > > I however, do understand that not every one thinks like me, and
> > > believe there should not be a federal law banning abortion.
> > >
> > > Also, I just want to say, if I haven't before, that I love
> hearing
> > > from you on the board Thomas.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "Thomas L. Knapp"
> > > <thomaslknapp@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Quoth Boyd:
> > > >
> > > > > It may be a philosophical victory
> > > >
> > > > It would be neither philosophical nor a victory.
> > > >
> > > > In order for it to be "philosophical," it would have to
> incorporate
> > > > reasoned argument rather than simply bluster and attempted
> > > > authoritative personal ukase.
> > > >
> > > > In order for it to be a "victory," it would have to elicit a
> > > reaction
> > > > from its audience to the effect that it _is_ reasoned argument
> > > rather
> > > > than bluster and ukase.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Knapp
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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