Chris: > > ... How can granting them the same rights as those who are loyal to this > country benefit us? ...
Susan: > I am not loyal to this country. Do you want to take away my rights? > What do you mean about *granting* rights, anyway? They aren't yours to > give. Chris: > They are inherent rights that Americans as a whole consider to be those of > Americans. Susan: If they are inherent, it doesn't matter one bit what "Americans as a whole' consider. And I think the idea that Americans have different 'inherent' rights from other people is ludicrous. Chris: > Hopefully when you say that you aren't loyal to this country (if your an > American citizen) you mean you aren't loyal to the government. Susan: That, too. But I am *not loyal to this country*. Chris: > If your not loyal to the intent of the founders who tried their damnest to > make you and i both as free as we could possibly be and believed in it so > much they sacrificed their property and lives for future generations then i > gotta say you're not really a libertarian. Susan: I respect their work and their thinking insofar as it was correct and laudable. But they weren't gods; they were VERY fallible men. Chris: > A libertarian believes in freedom above all and a limited government which > is exactly what the founders tried to do. If this is not the case then i am > not a libertarian. Susan: Oh, I'm all for freedom and limited government. In this discussion though, at every turn you have proposed *more* government as far as I can tell. -- Susan Hogarth http://www.colliething.com
