Bob, Why do you view Liberty as a service to be provided by Government? The sole purpose of Government is to RESTRICT liberty in the name of some collective good. Since the collective good of 300 million individuals can never be defined, these restrictions always end up doing more harm than good. ---Sasan --------------------------------------------------
--- In [email protected], "Bob Giramma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The claim is, "Liberty is for everyone or for no one. Words like 'citizen' > or 'foreigner' are used by governments to set people against one another in > the real struggle - free men against government. Libertarians need to > dispel the awful notion that certain rights only apply to Americans." > > Well, I agree that liberty is for everyone. But it's not the responsibility > of Americans, through our government, to provide liberty or rights for > anyone other than Americans. If Mexicans or Cubans or Chinese people want > to be free, then they can either demand it of their government or ask > Americans, through our government, for permission to live freely among us. > They have no more right to live in our country than they do to live in my > home. > > I have property rights, among them is my share of the piece of property > called America that I own collectively with other Americans. Let those > without US citizenship apply to become legal shareholders of America and > thus be able to live here. To the extent it enhances the freedom and > prosperity of Americans, we can decide who enters and who doesn't. > > As Bruce says, the reason we have an American government is to maximize the > freedom of Americans. Many aspects of illegal immigration have a net > negative impact on my liberty. > > _____ > > From: Bruce Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 12:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Better news on the LP release front > > > The American Government's job is to maximize > freedom for AMERICANS. > > That's it's charter and that's what the vast majority > (over 90%) of Americans want. > > The fact is, Libertarianism, in its core principles > is for minimizing government to the point where > it's a net gain of freedom. > > Libertarians believe Government is a necessary > tool, intended to improve the net amount of > freedom for all citizens of that government. > > I also think that building a bastion, a bulwark > of freedom and prosperity here, will provide > an inspirational model for other people and > other governments to emulate us. > > Or... > We COULD throw open the borders and > bring the whole mess down. > > chris fields <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Liberty is for everyone who is willing to work for it. You can't steal > liberty you have to earn it and it's definitely not free. > > Susan Hogarth <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:hogarth%40gmail.com> com> wrote: On > Jan 9, 2008 8:48 PM, chris fields <wastedwhiteguy6978@ > <mailto:wastedwhiteguy6978%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: > > ... > > We are a country of liberty for our citizens, not for foreigners who come > > here and live off of our system and contribute nothing in return.... > > This strikes me as dangerous nonsense. Liberty is for everyone or for > no one. Words like 'citizen' or 'foreigner' are used by governments to > set people against one another in the real struggle - free men against > government. > > Libertarians need to dispel the awful notion that certain rights only > apply to Americans. Every human being on the face of this planet has > the exact same rights. > > -- > Susan Hogarth > http://www.collieth <http://www.colliething.com/> ing.com > > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > _____ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/c > ategory.php?category=shopping> them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
