--- In [email protected], "goldrecordings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Omar Khyam omarkhyam1951@ wrote: > > > > Citizenship for all of us comes with duties as well as rights. > > > > I think the first duty of any new immigrant is to be subjected to a > background check and a health check that includes immunizations. > > > p) Jeez, I'd hate to go through all that every time I cross state > lines. or county lines. Or town lines. Or....
If you live in the US, you already did and there is a record. In fact, there is a record of every felony you were convicted of and even the ones you were only arrested for. In Nevada, it is a crime not to register as a felon and I am okay with that. If you take away someone's liberty by committing a rape, robbery, murder, et al, you deserve to have your liberty taken away for life. > > > > It is also a duty to have a working knowledge of the English > language and civics. If that were not so, why would we have schools > that teach it from the age of six. So, there should be a commitment to > learn English and civics. > > > p) Huh? What's this duty? Sounds rather like the Borg collective. > > By the way we did not always have government education, so using it to > prove something...proves nothing. Who is this we you are refering to. Education up to 8th grade has been a requirement for all of my lifetime and most citizens living. It included learning English and civics. What the rationale for handicapping immigrants by not knowing their rights are or the linga franka of the county they are in,is I cannot fathom. > > > > > Finally, I think it is the duty of citizens not to be a burden on > other citizens, so the cost of the whole process should be put on the > immigrant and spread out over the first five years. > > > p) Cost of what process? > Record checks. Immunization. Insuring they have learned English and civics. > > > I think that if you are to confirm that you are involved in the five > year process toward citizenship, you should be paying income, social > security, employment and other taxes. That means you cannot work under > the table. > > > p) income, socialist insecurity, employment and other taxes should not > exist. The more people that can get away with not paying them, the > more other people will try, until we get rid of them altogether > belatedly. You should live in a nation without those. Of course, such nations do not exist. If they did exist, they would not have roads, bridges, electric power, flood control, vector control (rats and mosquitoes), telephones, and all the rest of the things that require a work for the common good. What such nations do have is cholera, typhoid, mumps, measles, polio, diptheria, pertusis (whooping cough) yellow fever, bubonic plague, tuberculosis, et al. My father had polio. My mother had typhoid. My grandfather and uncle had tuberculosis. I had scarlet fever, pertusis, mumps, and chicken pox. Every one of those diseases there is an innoculation, antibiotic, or treatment for and they are highly contagious. I think my family has paid the price of not having protection from those things. Once is enough. > > > If someone can pass all the checks, pay all the fees, contribute > with taxes, be a responsible citizen, and remain crime free, what can > the objection be? > > p) Excessive bureaucracy, for starters. > -paul Excessive is always in the eye of the beholder. If you are a victim of crime or disease, your attitude tends to change. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
