Lebanon is not a free nation being pressured by Syria and the USA and internally by three major religious fractions.
I predict that Hezbiollah will have a part in any establish peace in the Levant just as much as the terrorist Nelson Mandela became part of the peace process in South Africa. The Zionists and Hezbiollah are two sides of the same ugly coin. Israel has no interest in the success of diplomacy, hence the reason they are untrustworthy. Israel targets in Lebanon were designed to make the government more unstable where they could have instead worked to support Lebanon so that Lebanon could reign in the hezbiollah. The more stable the countries are around Levant, the more opportunity Israel has to expand its territory. Yes, you cheer Israel, in every thing they have done, good or evil, and in everything they will every do, good or evil. I suppose you cheer when you read about the USS Liberty, when you hear that another US donated helicopter has fired on and killed Palestinian families, or demolished a school building containing Palestinian students, or plowed under additional Palestinian farms, or preventing injured victims from getting to hospitals in time? Bob, you don't sound like a libertarian, but a statist and Zionist. You don't seem to have any points in common with most if not all libertarians in the forum. Steve Bob Giramma wrote: > > > No, the US wouldn't need to invade Canada to pursue Hezbollah after your > hypothetical attack. You see, Canada is a civilized and free nation. > They honor the rule of law and adhere to international agreements. As > such, they would pursue Hezbollah themselves, perhaps asking for US > cooperation. That situation between two free and civilized nations > doesn't exist in the Middle East. Israel must resort to war, since > diplomacy with Arabs nearly always fails. > > Yes, I cheer for Israel. In any circumstance with free people on one > side and authoritarian savages on the other, I make the libertarian > choice of cheering for freedom. It has nothing to do with religion. I am > not a Jew, and the holy land means nothing to me. I cheer for > freedom-loving Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan, too. > > From: Steve > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:22 AM > To: [email protected] <mailto:Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror > > So if Hesbollah crossed the Canadian border and launched attacks in the > US, then we should retaliate against Canada? > > Bob, it seems that it doesn't matter what Israel does or who they kill > or how they justify it, you continue to cheer! That is, I believe, a > direct result of a Christian bias (Israel is the bible god's chosen > people and can do no wrong) and has nothing to do with the merits of > what Israel does. > > Steve > > Bob Giramma wrote: > > > > > > AFAIK, Hezbollah had crossed over into Israel and launched missiles at > > it before Israel invaded Lebanon in pursuit. > > > > From: Peter > > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:46 PM > > To: [email protected] > <mailto:Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror > > > > They dont have to stop defending themselves - but if they would stop > > being the schoolyard bully and going on the offensive it would be a big > > step. > > > > Or do you think invading and nearly destroying another country is > > justified for 2 kidnapped soldiers? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bob Giramma > > To: [email protected] > <mailto:Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror > > > > You're right. The Israelis should just stop fighting and let the Arab > > savages slaughter them. > > > > Then there will be all that peace, freedom, and prosperity that > > primitive peoples are so good at. > > > > From: Peter > > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:47 AM > > To: [email protected] > <mailto:Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror > > > > "I read elsewhere the US loses many points for its quasi-police state > > policies associated with the wars" > > > > No the freedom index I believe has to do with inside the borders. But > > I'd look closer to your home, Patriot Act, RICO, Draconian drug laws. > > Should I go on? > > > > "Israel would be ranked far higher if they didn't have war imposed on > > them every day of their existence" > > > > Much of this war is their own making. Especialy in recent years, even > > many Israelis are speaking out about this and its caused a lot of > > political splits. > > > > "Switzerland is fortunate to be surrounded by advanced and civilized > > people these days, making freedom a lot easier" > > > > You are distracting again. I mean after all, your right. The US and > > Canada are such ominous neighbors. And surely the UK has nasty > neighbors.... > > > > Bordering countries has little to do with the index at all, except maybe > > in cases like Israel, but again much of that is self brought. They treat > > the Palestinians like sub humans with US weapons. Ie they drop bombs and > > rockets all the time in Palestine and often kill whole familes of > > innocents, but how dare a Palestinian fight back with a bomb on > > themselves - then the Israelis cry foul. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bob Giramma > > To: [email protected] > <mailto:Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror > > > > I read elsewhere the US loses many points for its quasi-police state > > policies associated with the wars. That's typical of all nations at war, > > as they tighten up security in response to threats -- both real and > > perceived. For example, Israel would be ranked far higher if they didn't > > have war imposed on them every day of their existence. Switzerland is > > fortunate to be surrounded by advanced and civilized people these days, > > making freedom a lot easier. -- Steve - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html "If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on." --Stopford Brooke
