I read elsewhere the US loses many points for its quasi-police state policies 
associated with the wars.  That's typical of all nations at war, as they 
tighten up security in response to threats -- both real and perceived.  For 
example, Israel would be ranked far higher if they didn't have war imposed on 
them every day of their existence.  Switzerland is fortunate to be surrounded 
by advanced and civilized people these days, making freedom a lot easier.


From: Peter 
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 6:36 PM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror


And if you look at the Indiividual Freedom rank, US is down at 19.... and 
several are tied at higher levels, so its 19th rank, not even 19th country. Not 
very imporessive!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bob Giramma 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror

It looks like the US does quite well in the liberty rankings: 
http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/rankings.html 
http://www.freetheworld.com/ef_map.html 

The Middle East Muslim nations, not so well.

Switzerland has conscription military service.

From: Peter 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:13 AM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bob Giramma 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror

Yeah, Patriot act... Not to mention how foreigners are treated. Guantanamo Bay? 
Waterboarding? Need I go on? You are looking through some very heavily fogged 
glasses here. Look at freedom rankings etc. The US not only is not at the top, 
but is going down the list in recent years. You should be looking at 
Switzerland and others instead.

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