My opinion is the same as yours. I tend to like efficient programs rather than language du jour for the sake of being fashionable. I've got a lot of friends that are all on the latest bandwagons and can't believe anyone would use a mainframe or the mini computers anymore. I keep telling them to watch out one day I'm going to be a CIO and when I am if they work for me they are going to be in an environment that favors rock solid reliability on the fewest number of machines feasable to do the job. I don't like scale out, resource hogging programs, etc. As far as I'm concerned the sector of computing that encompasses day to day computing of business systems (think ERP type apps) was perfected with the advent of mainframes and mini's running COBOL or RPG. Application servers and what not have only added more failure points and cost to the equation. In business computing there is very little new under the sun.
Ryan > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Van Hees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:20 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: J2EE performance? > > Current development tends to follow the following sequence: > > - Rapid software development > - Lesser quality code, with less efficient use of resources > - Higher resource demands > - Higher minimum requirements for the application > > Past development tended to create applications that would > primarily work within the contraints of the systems people > had, because requiring more would usually cause the > application not to be purchased at all. Now that the games > industry along with one of the primary OS companies have been > pushing the limits ever forward (to the great satisfaction of > the PC component manufacturers who can discontinue parts at a > never before seen rate - conspiracy theory buffs can go look > for cross-industry deals and market manipulation - not my cup > of tea), no application developer has to worry about limits > anymore. Just put on the box that you need 3.0GHz CPU, 1GB > RAM, 40GB HD and a DVD burner (as minimum reqs) and a large > part of the targetted user base will go out and upgrade their > machine to run the application (assuming they want it). > > Does it make sense? No. Does it keep a very large industry > segment alive? > Most definitely! Is it any good? Not in my opinion, but YMMV. > > Kris > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 09:10:02AM -0500, David Booher wrote: > > I may be "old school", but there's no substitute for well > written programs that are both efficient in CPU and storage > and the same goes for the software platform they run on. I > even get discouraged at home when you have to buy new > hardware to support the bloating of the OS it runs on. What > are you achieving? New functionality? Better programs? More > stability? Some of the new software I've bought to run on my > PC is re-written old stuff with more advertisement and fancy > programmatic gizmos. It's neither more efficient nor better > performing, even on new hardware. > > > > The new school must have "deep pockets". ;) > > > > My opinions only, folks! > > > > Dave > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of > > Barton Robinson > > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 8:21 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: J2EE performance? > > > > > > The old school that thinks 80 mips is a lot is used to really well > > written programs, written in assembler to be efficient in > both CPU and > > storage. The new school that uses Java and C++ has different > > objectives. > > > > An 80 MIP processor is about a 300MHz pentium. This is based on > > "Barton's Number of 4", where 1 mip is about > > 4 Mhz of Intel running equivalent code. Not a really impressive > > machine, unless it is running many workloads at a very high > > utilization with lots of I/O 7 x 24.... > > > > I've heard the new java compilers are much much better, suited more > > for meeting mainframe objectives. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access > instructions, send > > email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > > visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > > -- > Never underestimate a Mage with: > - the Intelligence to cast Magic Missile, > - the Constitution to survive the first hit, and > - the Dexterity to run fast enough to avoid being hit a second time. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access > instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the > message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
