I may be "old school", but there's no substitute for well written programs that are 
both efficient in CPU and storage and the same goes for the software platform they run 
on.  I even get discouraged at home when you have to buy new hardware to support the 
bloating of the OS it runs on. What are you achieving? New functionality?  Better 
programs?  More stability?  Some of the new software I've bought to run on my PC is 
re-written old stuff with more advertisement and fancy programmatic gizmos.  It's 
neither more efficient nor better performing, even on new hardware.

The new school must have "deep pockets".   ;)

My opinions only, folks! 

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Barton Robinson
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 8:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: J2EE performance?


The old school that thinks 80 mips is a lot is used to
really well written programs, written in assembler to
be efficient in both CPU and storage.  The new school
that uses Java and C++ has different objectives.

An 80 MIP processor is about a 300MHz pentium. This is
based on "Barton's Number of 4", where 1 mip is about
4 Mhz of Intel running equivalent code.  Not a really
impressive machine, unless it is running many workloads
at a very high utilization with lots of I/O 7 x 24....

I've heard the new java compilers are much much better,
suited more for meeting mainframe objectives.

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