This website is a fun read, and the internal memo from Sun is a good summary of many of the issues that those of us who come from mainframe programming backgrounds of long ago face with Java every day....
http://www.panix.com/userdirs/jdw/javasucks.html On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:24:34 PDT Barton Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We're in full agreement. But with 3GHz intel processors, spending > a lot of expensive human time tuning an application hardly seems > worth it. If new school uses 3GHz processors, old school uses 300Mhz > processors, there's a lot of room for bad programming to be > competitive. but at least the z990 is getting close to "new school". > We can get the best of both worlds... > > >From: David Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >I may be "old school", but there's no substitute for well written > >programs that are both efficient in CPU and storage and the same goes > >for the software platform they run on. I even get discouraged at home > >when you have to buy new hardware to support the bloating of the OS it > >runs on. What are you achieving? New functionality? Better programs? > >More stability? Some of the new software I've bought to run on my PC is > >re-written old stuff with more advertisement and fancy programmatic > >gizmos. It's neither more efficient nor better performing, even on new > >hardware. > > > >The new school must have "deep pockets". ;) > > > >My opinions only, folks!=20 > > > >Dave > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > >Barton Robinson > >Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 8:21 AM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: J2EE performance? > > > > > >The old school that thinks 80 mips is a lot is used to > >really well written programs, written in assembler to > >be efficient in both CPU and storage. The new school > >that uses Java and C++ has different objectives. > > > >An 80 MIP processor is about a 300MHz pentium. This is > >based on "Barton's Number of 4", where 1 mip is about > >4 Mhz of Intel running equivalent code. Not a really > >impressive machine, unless it is running many workloads > >at a very high utilization with lots of I/O 7 x 24.... > > > >I've heard the new java compilers are much much better, > >suited more for meeting mainframe objectives. > > > > > > > > "If you can't measure it, I'm Just NOT interested!"(tm) > > /************************************************************/ > Barton Robinson - CBW Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Velocity Software, Inc Mailing Address: > 196-D Castro Street P.O. Box 390640 > Mountain View, CA 94041 Mountain View, CA 94039-0640 > > VM Performance Hotline: 650-964-8867 > Fax: 650-964-9012 Web Page: WWW.VELOCITY-SOFTWARE.COM > /************************************************************/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
