Linux-Advocacy Digest #248, Volume #35 Thu, 14 Jun 01 22:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: Linux freindly ISPs? (Andy)
Re: Redhat video problems. (GreyCloud)
Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (GreyCloud)
Re: Getting used to Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: Getting used to Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: Mail Order Brides? Check this place out! (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (GreyCloud)
Re: Getting used to Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (GreyCloud)
Re: Getting used to Linux ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-032 : SQL Query Method Enables (GreyCloud)
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? ("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (GreyCloud)
Re: The Microsoft PATH. ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: "This will not happen again," said the Microsoft spokesperson. (GreyCloud)
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:47:01 -0700
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Jon Johansan wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Peter K�hlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > T. Max Devlin wrote:
> > > > > > > Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 10 Jun 2001
> > > 14:08:35
> > > > > > >>Actually, the reason I want net worth is to find things out
> about
> > > other
> > > > > > >>companies.
> > > > > > >>I sometimes post stuff that would be much more interesting if I
> > > could
> > > > > add
> > > > > > >>small tidbits like, "X could buy Y for pocket change".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Actually, Ayende, if you don't mind the advice, it would just
> make
> > > you
> > > > > > > look foolish.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, TMax, the one person looking foolish is you.
> > > > > > Ayende is advocating Windows, and he has reasons to do it.
> > > > > > You may find those reasons invalid, but he does it in a quite
> pleasant
> > > > > > way, very different from Chad Myers and Jon Johanson.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pleasant or not pleasant (from your point of view) doesn't
> invalidate
> > > things
> > > > > Chad or I may say. I don't think I'm unpleasant but I realize that I
> am
> > > > > saying things that people who hate MS and it's products won't like
> to
> > > hear.
> > > > > And sometimes I put linux down too and that would be unpleasant to
> those
> > > > > that love it. But, again, that doesn't invalidate the facts.
> > > > >
> > > > > > He actually knows what he is talking about.
> > > > >
> > > > > I take offense at that however, I do know what I'm talking about -
> you
> > > may
> > > > > just not like what you hear...
> > > > >
> > > > > > You, on the other hand, tell us all how vastly superior linux is
> > > compared
> > > > > > to the stuff MS sells. Yet you do not use linux, you use windows.
> > > > > > Seems to be a little contradiction, doesn�t it?
> > > > >
> > > > > So why not fling your "unpleasant" comments at him then? At least we
> use
> > > the
> > > > > products we advocate religiously.
> > > >
> > > > Hey, when is MS gonna fix VC6.0??
> > > > I've been waiting for over a year and still no fixes.
> > >
> > > Are you not aware of the 5 service packs? SP5 was released about 6
> months
> > > ago.
> >
> > No... which link to download these service packs. I'd hate to throw
> > away my investment and start over with Metrowerks tools.
>
> You can find most things at the Visual C++ web page at
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/
>
> Under "Product Support" choose "Product Updates".
I've already tried. Product is too old for them to update and I can't
download 175Mb of sp5 down over a 28.8 link. I was even willing to
spend a mere $5 on a CD and MS refused because I didn't renew my msdn
subscription. I will move over to Metrowerks in due time as its found
on a lot of different platforms.
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:56:05 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mark"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Occasionally the wife and I will watch a couple of minutes of Jerry
>>Springer (that's all we can stand) on the telly, and we always end up
>>rejoicing in how uncomplicated our lives are, and how lucky we are to
>>have
>
> You don't actually believe it do you ;-) ?
LOL! Of course not, but it still makes me happy as a clam that my wife
doesn't weigh 350 pounds, has all her teeth, isn't covered with jailhouse
tatoos, and doesn't swear like a sailor.
But it's still more believable than the exaggerated WinNT uptimes that get
posted here.
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From: Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux freindly ISPs?
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 01:57:28 +0100
Edward Rosten wrote:
> Hi Guys!
>
> Question for the UK linux users here.
>
> Which dialup ISPs are Linux friendly, and which one do you think is the
> best?
>
If you want to just get online with a pay as you go (local call) ISP you
can dial in and sign on as a guest with www.freenet.co.uk and then register
if you want email etc. As you have internet access check the expert section
on the rather drab homepage for details on how to connect. If you need
details reply and I will post it. I have had no problems.
If your internet calls will be more than �2.50 a week you might be better
off with a subscription ISP. I use ClaraNet (www.clara.co.uk) a 10er amonth
for free weekday evening 6pm - 2am and all weekend calls. You get 3 numbers
to connect (2 telcos) so if one is busy one of the others will connect,
Email, news and batch ftp. No IRC or streaming with this package. They have
various packages to choose from, check out the website. The people running
Clara know what they are doing and problems get resolved quickly ie support.
I've had no problems with the service and the batch ftp is handy for
downloading all those packages.
IMPORTANT : You need a BT line.
I was a bit wary of surtime packages having read problems with overcharging
by Line One.
Some friends are with freeserve and they reckon it's ok.
Stay clear of the 50 quid + up front for a year unlimited ISPs, they are
often not around for long.
Decide what you want and check out a few providers, Demon have several
packages.
> I'm moving in to a flat soon and since I have a Linux box, I need a Linux
> friendly ISP, also, cable is not an option.
>
> Also can anyone also reccomend a good external modem for Linux? I don't
> want an internal one since they're harder to swap computers with.
>
I have a Diamond Supra Express 56e PRO, works fine, around 30 quid at dabs
>
> I know this group well enought to know that i'll get some pretty solid
> advice, and I'd also kindly ask the wintrolls to go away.
>
> If necessary, I can get hold of a Windows box temporarily if I need that
> to register.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> -Ed
>
>
>
>
HTH
Andy
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat video problems.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:51:00 -0700
drsquare wrote:
>
> On 14 Jun 2001 01:05:58 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)) wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:49:52 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> My old copy of slackware 3.5 allowed for many different resolutions and
> >> worked nice.
> >> The later versions of Linux seem to have omitted this feature.
> >
> >The latest (stable) Debian allows for it, but I only use one
> >resolution, and thats 1024*768.
> >
> >Ive set up X in Debian (a trivial affair) to display only
> >this resolution.
>
> I only use 800x600, as 1024x768 makes everything too small. However,
> it's a bit of an arse to have to press Ctrl+Alt+plus to increase the
> resolution from 640x480 every time it starts up.
Well, isn't it a lot easier than clicking on start... settings...
control panel ... display... settings...???
Then a reboot??
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:52:37 -0700
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:36:31 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >Mark wrote:
>
> >> >I'd be wary of anything with that stupid fucking penguin in it. If he
> >> >wants good games, send him over to Loki's sight for some REAL games.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I like the penguin.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mark Kent
> >
> >I wonder where we can get some stuffed Octopi to sell to the
> >Windanistas? We could make a good profit!
>
> What are you talking about? Stuffed Octopi?
Octopus... the eight armed or legged creatures that represent the
strangling grasp of a monopoly.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:57:44 -0700
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mart van de
> Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In article <9g76m2$s75$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> It was very crude (fvwm sucks rocks compared to NeXT Step or
> >>> Workbench),
> >>
> >> Ha! Shows how much *you* know.
> >>
> >> FVWM is the ONE TRUE WINDOW MAGAGER anything else is the spawn of
> >> satan, pure and simple, much like vi nd emacs.
> > ^^^^^^ ^^^^^
> >>
> >> -Ed
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > Uh Ed, old chap? What have they been putting in your beer lately?
> >
>
> um... the religous war is simple, much like the vi/emacs war.
>
> VI and proud of it.
>
> -Ed
>
I find I use vi or vim a lot. Vi loads up faster than xemacs.
One of these days I'll buy O'reilleys little book on vi.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:00:18 -0700
drsquare wrote:
>
> On 14 Jun 2001 06:35:41 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)) wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:04:07 -0700, Paolo Ciambotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> In article <9g76m2$s75$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ha! Shows how much *you* know.
> >>>
> >>> FVWM is the ONE TRUE WINDOW MAGAGER anything else is the spawn of satan,
> >>> pure and simple, much like vi nd emacs.
> >>
> >> Vi? Emacs? Real programmers use PICO! Everything else is just lame.
> >No they don't ... *real GNU* programmers use Nano, as Pico !=GPl :)
> >
> >Btw Nano looks just like Pico, works just like Pico, but has enhancements:)
>
> Like not being shit?
It isn't that... besides the University of Washington made it... its now
at vers. 4 for UNIX.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mail Order Brides? Check this place out!
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:06:09 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Kmart Shopper wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:48:24 GMT, flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > hurled this gem ...
> >
> > |On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:20:07 -0600, Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > |wrote:
> > |
> > |>On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 01:50:40 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > |>
> > |>>Has everything you need to know about "buying" the perfect Russian wife.
> > |>
> > |>>These men are the hardcore losers and if you read some of the messages you'll
>begin to see why.
> > |>
> > |>Hey, let's all chip in and get Aaron one!
> > |
> > |
> > |According to one of the messages on that sorry site it cost's upward
> > |of $10k to buy one of these fine ladies.
> > |
> > |I must be naive but I thought slavery went out around 1865 or so?
> > |
> > |Is that site some kind of a joke that I'm missing or are those idiots
> > |for real?
> > |
> > |Just curious.
> > |
> > |
> > |flatfish+++
> > |"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
> >
> > Oh, it's real. There is, however, a cheaper way.
> > All you have to do is meet a resident Russian woman.
> > Chances are she'll have family still in Russia.
> > A couple of phone calls and before you can say
> > "holy ruskie bush batman", the bride-to-be will be knocking on your
> > door, mutant child in tow. 6 months later, after some quick English
> > study, said ruskie bush will be telling you that America sucks.
> >
> > I know a guy who works at the local supermarket in just this
> > situation. It's a real goof.
>
> He obviously rushed into something without crossing the
> t's and dotting the i's, relationship-wise.
>
> flaky women give warning signs, REGARDLESS of culture.
>
> If you were to look back at her behavior, she gave some
> warning signs...he just chose to ignore them.
>
You got that right! A long time ago I dated a nice looking woman and
while at her apartment she asked her daughter to look up in the
phonebook for numbers to theaters.
Out of the wild blue my date got maddern' hell and screamed and tossed
the phone book at her daughter. Daughter just cringed. I just turned
and walked out and never saw her since.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:08:45 -0700
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Stuart Fox wrote:
> >
> > > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:9g681i$71i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > >>Just to note, http://www.xtramsn.co.nz/ which is a joint venture between
> > >>Xtra, New Zealands largest ISP and MSN, The site www.xtramsn.co.nz is
> > >>running Netscape-Enterprise/3.6 SP3 on Solaris, this a company that is, in
> > >>theory, meant to be the official New Zealand partner in e-commerce and
> > >>internet inferstructure, yet the still retains a nice fleet of SUN
> > >>
> > > servers.
> > >
> > >>Reliable, flexible and ready to rumble, as in the words of the Microsoft
> > >>"enterprise" ad on CNN.
> > >>
> > >
> > > You don't perchance think that they just threw that page up on a server that
> > > Xtra already had? Is that in the realms of possibility?
> >
> >
> > They also could have setup a make-shift server running Windows 2000
> > Server. One also must remember what they use as their internal servers
> > vs. their relationship between EDS and Microsoft.
> >
> > Don't you also find it a bit of a coincidence that when Tranz Rail moved
> > their sever farm from UNIX to NT, the number of accidents and deaths in
> > the rail yards increase rapidly, even though the amount of haulage has
> > stayed constant?
>
> You reall stretch the limits of believability.
>
> Care to produce any numbers backing up any of these rediculous claims
> you make?
>
> -c
Why should he troll?? You're in the middle of the linux advocacy yelling
for proof??
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:03:02 -0700
drsquare wrote:
>
> On 13 Jun 2001 20:35:46 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (F/@- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mlw says...
> >>I will never go back to Windows.
> >
> >I am afraid I had to go back to windows, becuase the software
> >I need to use is only on windows.
>
> I have to use windows because of my winmodem. This would never have
> happened if it wasn't for Microsoft.
You can now get drivers for winmodems for linux. I have an external
modem that doesn't rob the CPU of its clock cycles. One simple modem
chip works better than any software and it won't get corrupted by any
file system accidents either.
Search the web for winmodem drivers for Linux.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:11:24 -0700
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Yes, but at the same time, it's not clear what it will be running. The thing
> > > we really need to see is a survey of what operating systems businesses are
> > > running today. The survey would have to include companies of different size
> > > and different markets (etc, etc.) so that variations could be factored in.
> > > As you point out, just looking at what OS machines were shipped with isn't
> > > necessarily valid, especially in the case of server shipments.
> > >
> > > -- Mike --
> > >
> >
> >
> > Also, most Linux users are DYI people who build their own computers so
> > that they have absolute control over what goes into it, and when the
> > shit hits the fan, how to fix it. Hence, one cannot always get the
> > correct figures when counting the number of Linux "shipments" vs. the
> > number of Windows "shipments".
>
> Oh yes, this "Enterprise Linux" running on a bunch of home-grown
> boxes. I'm glad I'm not an employee of one of those companies. I'd
> have to use my stock options as toilet paper because it'd be cheaper.
>
> -c
Your stock options are almost toilet paper as it is, seeing that from
over a year ago MS stock lost 2/3 of its value.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:12:48 -0700
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> Chad Myers wrote:
>
> > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >>>Yes, but at the same time, it's not clear what it will be running. The thing
> >>>we really need to see is a survey of what operating systems businesses are
> >>>running today. The survey would have to include companies of different size
> >>>and different markets (etc, etc.) so that variations could be factored in.
> >>>As you point out, just looking at what OS machines were shipped with isn't
> >>>necessarily valid, especially in the case of server shipments.
> >>>
> >>>-- Mike --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Also, most Linux users are DYI people who build their own computers so
> >>that they have absolute control over what goes into it, and when the
> >>shit hits the fan, how to fix it. Hence, one cannot always get the
> >>correct figures when counting the number of Linux "shipments" vs. the
> >>number of Windows "shipments".
> >>
> >
> > Oh yes, this "Enterprise Linux" running on a bunch of home-grown
> > boxes. I'm glad I'm not an employee of one of those companies. I'd
> > have to use my stock options as toilet paper because it'd be cheaper.
> >
> > -c
>
> Whats the difference between a dell machine assembled in Malysia by a
>
> chinese person vs. a machine assembled by the system admin? Nothing.
>
> Also, if you were to use it for enterprise, you would get a prioprietry
> solution from SUN or IBM, REAL hardware with a REAL os.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
I sure wish Compaq would sell off their DEC holdings to a company that
can better manage and market DEC hardware and software. I heard that
another company may buy DEC holdings soon. ???
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:15:01 -0700
Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > Who cares what you run in your home. We're talking about
> > real businesses making critical decisions that effect their
> > bottom line. It appears that they don't chose Linux.
> >
>
> Yeah, yeah, Chad. By your definition IBM is no *real* business.
>
> Moron.
>
> Peter
Chads just pissed because he didn't sell off his MS stock in time last
year.
He must have lost at least 2/3 of its original value by now.
By spreading FUD he is hoping his stock will improve.
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:23:56 -0700
In article <9g9omu$i22$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> OMIGOD!
>
> I'll have to introduce you to my brother.
>
> He did an entire physics project (programs in C, sh and writeup in LaTeX
> (10k words) ) in pico!
What I used in college was TECO, but we won't go into that. It's been
twenty years since I had my last nightmare revolving around TECO and miles
of paper tape; let's keep it that way.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-032 : SQL Query Method Enables
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:19:21 -0700
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >>Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Matt, if you want to get into a pissing match about bugs, thats your
> >>>perogative, but all products have them, and the 60 or so security
> >>>
> > patches
> >
> >>>for Red Hat 7.0 are a good example.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>>news:9g6jet$f7r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>>
> >>
> >>The issue is not about how many bugs, but the fact that Microsoft proclaim
> >>Close Source solutions are more secure
> >>
> >
> > Where exactly is this proclamation?
> >
> >
> >>, and here is an example of something that
> >>doesn't live up to the Microsoft anit-OpenSource mantra.
> >>
> >
> > I highly doubt MS would claim that OpenSource software has more bugs. Bugs
> > are a function of complexity, the more complex your code, the more bugs
> > there are likely to be per 1000 lines of code.
> >
> >
> >>Maybe Bill
> >>Gates should get back into his little think tank and come up with REAL
> >>VALID arguments against opensource instead of throwing retoric in the
> >>wheels of something that WILL HAPPEN, the success of OpenSource, no
> >>matter how much Microsoft wishes that it fails.
> >>
> >
> > Nobody said anything about it failing. It won't, but it won't become a
> > massive success either (IMO). At least until certain things change.
> >
> > MS's arguments about OpenSource are primarily based upon business reasons,
> > not nebulous ones like you claim.
> >
>
> Read Craig Mudie's hissy fit, then you will see what I mean. The
> manager in charge of the Office division hasn't said a word yet, maybe
> he just think's that he might as well keep his mouth shut and get back
> to work instead of whining like an 8 year old, as Craig Mudie and Bill
> Gates has.
> Also, you goto the so-called "Linux Myth's" on Microsoft's website,
> explaining so-called "problems" with opensource and and linux. Explain
> how they call Linux and OpenSource, "Viral" and "a cancer". This
> supposedly comming from a multi-billion dollar company, when in essence,
> it sounds more like the leader on an empire realising that their reign
> of terror is rapidly comming to an end.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>From all that I've been watching in the market, it seems that IBM, HP,
Sun, SCO, and any others I didn't mention, seem to be coalescing around
Linux and supporting it. I think that gives MS enough motivation to
start investing in a large FUD campaign. That pretty much pits the rest
of the world against MS.
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:21:09 +1200
GreyCloud wrote:
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>>"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:3b28bdd2$0$94306$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>>
>>>That's the Unix way right? Spend countless hours what takes
>>>minutes in Windows.
>>>
>>Not arguing with this.
>>But keep in mind that the reverse is true as well.
>>
>
> You have to realize Ayende that I have used Solaris pkgadd too and have
> had no problems at all. It is very reliable. It even writes a log of
> where and what files were installed.
>
>
In fact, when you download the patchs, why no just run the script
included with it? it automatically installs all the patches in the
correct order etc.
IRIX is very easy to upgrade, mind you, there were actually designed for
the arty-farty crowd, for all intensive purposes, they aren't that
technically literate, or wished to be concered over OS issues.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:23:39 -0700
"top@pp" wrote:
>
> Lets all write to yahoo and complain. I am just had it with
> sites like yahoo that only supports windows.
>
> click on this site and you'll get an error that it is only supported
> on windoz.
>
> http://vision.yahoo.com/?id=1457763&aid=5016
>
> yahoo is as stupid as any business out there which only makes its
> web pages to one platform.
Yep! You're right! It does give a damn error message. I'm using
Solaris 8.
Well Yahoo can go piss up a rope!
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Microsoft PATH.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:29:51 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Dave Martel"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>And I'm still stuck trying to wend my way through the Zork trilogy.
>>
>>"Xyzzy". "Plugh". Remember? Remember without drugs?
>
> "You are in a maze of twisty little wintrolls..."
>
"... all alike."
Wait.... that makes sense. I smell a wumpus.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:24:39 -0700
Zsolt wrote:
>
> top@pp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 14 Jun 2001 00:12:49 -0700 presented us with the
>wisdom:
>
> >
> > Lets all write to yahoo and complain. I am just had it with
> > sites like yahoo that only supports windows.
> >
> > click on this site and you'll get an error that it is only supported
> > on windoz.
>
> Nope.
> I just clicked on the link, running Mandrake 7.2, reading this with KNode,
> so it brings up Konqueror as a browser and that has no problem whatsoever.
> I see all the adds, forms etc. the links work also - didn't get any error message...
>
> What browser did you try to use ?
>
> >
> > http://vision.yahoo.com/?id=1457763&aid=5016
> >
I'm using Nutscrape under Sun O/S.
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:25:44 +1200
>>
>
> I sure wish Compaq would sell off their DEC holdings to a company that
> can better manage and market DEC hardware and software. I heard that
> another company may buy DEC holdings soon. ???
>
>
It is rather a shame compaq is so pathetic, considering they are
literately sitting on a gold mine of technologies developed by DEC, such
as the alpha processor, DigitalUNIX, top of the range clustering and
loadbalancing software.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: "This will not happen again," said the Microsoft spokesperson.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:26:36 -0700
Anonymous wrote:
>
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6270970.html?tag=tp_pr
>
> Hey everyone! Microsoft said they will NEVER
> make a botched patch again!
> How reassuring!
>
> Let's all set our watches now and see
> how long before this promise is broken!
>
> --------== Posted Anonymously via Newsfeeds.Com ==-------
> Featuring the worlds only Anonymous Usenet Server
> -----------== http://www.newsfeeds.com ==----------
Hehehe... and Chad says that Sun screws up on patches... Bwahahahaha!
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