Linux-Advocacy Digest #248, Volume #29 Thu, 21 Sep 00 14:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Never tell me again that Windows is easy to install!!! It's a lie!
Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools) (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Computer and memory (No Name)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools) (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Linux to reach NT 3.51 proportions in next 2 years (Matthias Warkus)
Re: "Real Unix" Vs Linux (mark)
Re: Another "feature" in IE discovered. (mark)
Re: The Linux Experience
Re: The Linux Experience (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (dc)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Peter Ammon)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively ("James")
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Mike Byrns)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Peter Ammon)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Peter Ammon)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Tim Kelley)
Re: Linux to reach NT 3.51 proportions in next 2 years (Mike Byrns)
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Never tell me again that Windows is easy to install!!! It's a lie!
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:20:48 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8qcfr5$m4e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> However, the format that is performed during Windows NT/95/9x setup is
> traditionally (very) slow, which is remedied (IME) in Windows 2000. Setup
> now performs a quick format as NTFS, which it didn't do before.
Regardless
> of my incorrect terminology, I suspect I am still comparing apples with
> apples, as I doubt IL is doing a low level format of the drive either.
I am sure that you realize the reason for the greater speed and that the
price for the speed is reliability. The formatting (using Microsoft's
terminology) performed by the Windows NT/9x installation process scan the
partition for bad sectors and locked them out inaddition to writing the
filesystem to the partition. To scan for bad sectors it is required to read
and possibly write every sector in the partition one or more times,
depending on how extensive the scan is. The formatting performed by the
Windows 2000 installation process just writes the filesystem to the
partition and does not scan for bad sectors. It just assumes that all
sectors are good without verifing the fact
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:31:41 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>Mark Kelley writes:
>
>>>> It appears that the only person who does not seem to think Dave is
>>>> suffering from a cerebral wedgie is Dave, himself.
>
>>> "Will he be able to resist replying? Nope. So little
>>> self-discipline, such a weak will. I guess he CAN be
>>> controlled by others."
>>> --Mark Kelley
>>>
>>> How ironic.
>
>> And thanks for proving it yet again, Dave!
>
> "Will he be able to resist replying? Nope. So little
> self-discipline, such a weak will. I guess he CAN be
> controlled by others."
> --Mark Kelley
>
>How ironic.
>
Jesus Christ on a crutch! If you're going to be a moronic
defensive knee-jerk respondent, at least don't prove
yourself an idiot with your own post. You do realize that
by responding with a post that basically says anyone that
replies is an idiot you are calling yourself an idiot. If
you don't, then I suggest you take a few moments to just
back up and look at yourself real hard.
My second point: show some goddamned originality. I don't
mind trollers, and I don't mind morons so much as long as
they are entertaining. But saying the same thing over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and
over... do you get the idea yet?
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (No Name)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: 21 Sep 2000 16:26:27 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:58:41 GMT, Chad Myers said:
>
>"Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:FR_x5.363$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
>
>> > Of course you liberals would be just as happy selling off
>> > everything to the Red ChiComs like Fearless Leader has
>> > almost done.
>> >
>> > -Chad
>>
>> uh?..yeah!... whatever chad...<LoL>
>
>Yeah what? Fearless Leader has already sold them:
>- Vetoes and bills for passing
>- Nuclear power and weaponry secrets
>- Missile guidance systems and technology
>- global satellite guidance systems and technology
>- Federal parks to cover up rich deposits of
> rare minerals (like low-sulfur coal which only exists
> on large quantities in the US(Utah) and China)
>- Stays in the Lincoln bedroom, tours of areas of the
> Whitehouse even American citizens don't get to see
>- Stays at Camp David
>- Interviews and meetings with influential congresspeople
> and other policy makers
>- Near full access to the Pentagon with high level clearance
>- most-favored trade status (while turning a blind eye to
> horrible human rights violations)
>- Permanent favored trade status which allows them to buy
> previously restricted goods like aircraft, weaponry (both
> large and personal), and other advanced technology
>- computer equipment usually only available for U.S. citizens
> or companies with export restrictions or bans
>- shall I continue?
>
>All of this is well documented. Any search engine should point
>you to dozens of sites chronicling each and every one of
>these actions, plus many more.
>
>-Chad
>
>
Oh dear Chad! On top of been a troll (as you unashamedly
showed us in the thread about MS OSs in critcial out
space missions) now also you have all kind of
conspiracy theories.
Where de you live? In a cabin in the middle of Montana?
I can see you screaming: "hurry up, hide, they are comming to
conquer us!!!" the day you see the first British Telecomm
van driving close by your forest to connect your cabin to the
Internet...
Ayway, enough and have a goode one.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:35:22 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Brian V. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Really? Which ones were those that came with the source code?
BSD
Perhaps the original AT&T UNIX as well?
--
Jeff Gentry [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"You're one of those condescending UNIX users! ...."
"Here's a nickel kid ... get yourself a real computer."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:36:19 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>Nathaniel Jay Lee writes:
>Try directing your fire extinguisher at the base of the flames. It's
>more effective that way. Feel free to count the number of words
>posted by Jason, Aaron, and myself to this global warming thread
>prior to the time of your complaint. Then tell me why you're
>complaining to me and not them.
>
I came complaining to you because all that you did was
repeat your favorite phrase over and over and over. I'm
sick of seeing you say the same things over and over and
over and I've only read a very few of your posts. I'm not
trying to put out the fire caused by my flames to you, I'm
just trying to prevent others from being burned by flames
that aren't aimed at them.
I was not bothered by the conversation between Aaron and
Jason because they were at least writing 'something'
instead of just hitting 'cut-n-paste' a thousand times and
trying to pretend that showed how intelligent they were.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux to reach NT 3.51 proportions in next 2 years
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:29:13 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:21:09 -0500...
...and Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd like to navigate into folders like I walk into a room
> in Unreal Tournament.
I, on the other hand, prefer being productive. Gee, the great thing
about computers is that it's all at your fingertips and that you
*don't* need to walk, drive or fly anywhere to get at it! Do you want
to sacrifice that? The current desktop metaphor is already far too
close to reality to be really comfortable (it gets cluttered just like
a real desk).
The last thing I want is a computer UI that does not only get
cluttered, but where it's a drag to walk distances, too.
mawa
--
Unix drives the net, why can't it drive a personal computer.
-- Tony Austin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: "Real Unix" Vs Linux
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:47:23 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Colin R. Day wrote:
>John Doherty wrote:
>
>> In article <8prik2$e425e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Nigel Feltham"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Nothing except a rocket permanently aimed at their head office
>> > will ever keep microsoft honest :-)
>>
>> My brother has been calling for air strikes on MS for at least a couple
>> of years now.
>>
>> If the Justice Department doesn't get 'em, the Air Force can. ;-)
>
>Does the Air Force use Microsoft products? Would this make it
>loath to bomb MS, or would it make it all the more willing? :-)
Probably more willing but much less able :)
--
Mark - remove any ham to reply.
(Killed (sigserv (This sig is reserved by another user)))
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Another "feature" in IE discovered.
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:54:08 +0100
In article <8pvp36$snu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, MH wrote:
>I'd gladly trade my movements being tracked for a browser that can:
>
I wouldn't for anything Microsoft could offer me.
Has anyone else noted that Netmeeting seems to set up TCP connections
with a Microsoft site, even when using a 'local' server (ie., one
within an intranet)? I spotted these when listing my masq firewalls
state with ipfwadm.
Yes, I have to use Win98 SE for work. I do not like it.
--
Mark - remove any ham to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: The Linux Experience
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:01:39 -0000
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:10:14 -0300, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>El lun, 18 sep 2000, Jake Taense escribi�:
>>Spent some of my Sunday helping out a friend with a problem.
>>
>>Seems she has been happily using Linux for most things (RedHat 6.2) for a
>>little bit now. However, like many users, she disliked the lack of Truetype
>>support.
>>
>>So, she called up another linux user and asked what she could do to fix that.
>>
>>"Oh, just add a truetype font server."
>>
>>"Where can I get that?"
>>
>>"I'll mail you a link. Download the tarball and make sure you follow the
>>instructions in the INSTALL file."
>>
>>To her credit, she did exactly that. She downloaded the right file, extracted
>>it properly, and followed the instructions precisely. She replaced the
>>existing xfs file with the new one as indicated in the INSTALL file, replaced
>>the man page, and the other files as necessary, taking care to back up the
>>originals.
>>
>>Finally, the moment of truth - she rebooted. What happened? The xfs server
>>failed during initialization. She uses the redhat graphical login. Result? A
>>machine that just sat and kept switching video modes. Killing the x-server
>>with ctrl-alt-backspace didn't fix it. All she could do was ctrl-alt-delete,
>>which shut everything down.
>>
>>She was without a machine until I could come over and fix it.
>>
>>"What was I supposed to do?" she asked.
>>
>>"You did everything fine. In fact, I'm glad this happened. Welcome to the
>>linux experience."
>
>Better answer: "Don't get desperate, and wait 3 minutes until init stops
>respawining xdm".
Or better yet:
Execute that well known "three finger salute".
Wait for the machine to power cycle.
Enter "linux 3" at the LILO prompt.
--
Your CHEEKS sit like twin NECTARINES above a MOUTH that knows no BOUNDS --
This is clearly another case of too many mad scientists, and not enough
hunchbacks.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Linux Experience
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:14:53 -0300
El jue, 21 sep 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi�:
>On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:10:14 -0300, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>El lun, 18 sep 2000, Jake Taense escribi�:
>>>Spent some of my Sunday helping out a friend with a problem.
>>>
>>>Seems she has been happily using Linux for most things (RedHat 6.2) for a
>>>little bit now. However, like many users, she disliked the lack of Truetype
>>>support.
>>>
>>>So, she called up another linux user and asked what she could do to fix that.
>>>
>>>"Oh, just add a truetype font server."
>>>
>>>"Where can I get that?"
>>>
>>>"I'll mail you a link. Download the tarball and make sure you follow the
>>>instructions in the INSTALL file."
>>>
>>>To her credit, she did exactly that. She downloaded the right file, extracted
>>>it properly, and followed the instructions precisely. She replaced the
>>>existing xfs file with the new one as indicated in the INSTALL file, replaced
>>>the man page, and the other files as necessary, taking care to back up the
>>>originals.
>>>
>>>Finally, the moment of truth - she rebooted. What happened? The xfs server
>>>failed during initialization. She uses the redhat graphical login. Result? A
>>>machine that just sat and kept switching video modes. Killing the x-server
>>>with ctrl-alt-backspace didn't fix it. All she could do was ctrl-alt-delete,
>>>which shut everything down.
>>>
>>>She was without a machine until I could come over and fix it.
>>>
>>>"What was I supposed to do?" she asked.
>>>
>>>"You did everything fine. In fact, I'm glad this happened. Welcome to the
>>>linux experience."
>>
>>Better answer: "Don't get desperate, and wait 3 minutes until init stops
>>respawining xdm".
>
> Or better yet:
> Execute that well known "three finger salute".
> Wait for the machine to power cycle.
> Enter "linux 3" at the LILO prompt.
In a fast computer with a quirky video that can be pretty hard to do,
if xdm is cycling quick.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: dc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:10:33 -0500
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:05:05 -0500, Mayor Of R'lyeh
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Also the movies are a business not an Apple welfare office. Do you
>>> realy think that if Compaq made a better offer they'd turn them down?
>>
>>Yes, frankly, I do.
LOL! Apparently I missed this the first time around. C'mon
Peter...think about it. That's a riot!
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From: Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:26:48 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dc wrote:
>
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:05:05 -0500, Mayor Of R'lyeh
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>> Also the movies are a business not an Apple welfare office. Do you
> >>> realy think that if Compaq made a better offer they'd turn them down?
> >>
> >>Yes, frankly, I do.
>
> LOL! Apparently I missed this the first time around. C'mon
> Peter...think about it. That's a riot!
You can't argue with facts.
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/features/starringapple.html
"It�s sometimes as easy as the director saying, �It has to be a Mac, and
we can�t use anything else.� That happens a lot.�
-Peter
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From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:28:19 +0200
Your irony wasn't lost - whe just ignored it.
"Jeremy Harbinson" <"Jeremy Harbinson"@users.tbpt.wau.nl> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Sometimes my irony is lost on people............
> all the best,
> Jeremy
>
> Timberwoof wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeremy Harbinson
> > <"Jeremy Harbinson"@users.tbpt.wau.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > If I remember correctly, the Shuttle uses three computers for
> > > certain operations and then, democratically I suppose you could say,
> > > implements the majority decision. If they are using an MS OS that
> > > would indeed appear to be a wise strategy.
> >
> > Those three computers were designed and programmed in the late '70s.
> > They do not use an MS OS, for they do not use Intel chips. No matter
> > what OS you're using, for this application, that's a wise strategy.
> >
> > >Also, I remember a
> > > Hewlett-Packard advertisement claiming that the Shuttle Captain had
> > > an HP programmable calculator mounted on the leg of his/her
> > > flight-suit which he or she depended upon for some critical
> > > calculations (during re-entry I think). I always wondered why they
> > > just didn't use their computers for this, but now that calculator
> > > makes a lot of sense
> >
> > The calculator is the backup in case all three computer failed. (And
> > this is no ordinary fourbanger. It's an HP-41CV, a pretty hefty piece of
> > work. When I was in college, we all dreamed of owning one of those.)
> >
> > >all the best, Jeremy Harbinson
> >
> > --
> > Timberwoof <timberwoof at infernosoft dot com> Chief Perpetrator
> > Infernosoft: Putting the No in Innovation. http://www.infernosoft.com
> > "The opposite of hardware is not easyware."
>
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From: Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:35:24 -0500
Stuart Fox wrote:
>
> "Jack Troughton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED].
> ca...
> > You could do what they did with OS/2 in Goldeneye; it had prominently
> > displayed OS/2 desktops on the machines in that control centre they
> > had... the desktop is quite distinctive, and easy to recognize for
> > those that know what it looks like.
>
> Presumably that means you'd be preaching to the (mostly) converted? If you
> know what the OS/2 desktop looks like, then you'remost likely using it. If
> you don't know what it looks like, they haven't gained anything...
Same thing goes for Windows. What would it have gained Microsoft? It's
like, "Oh, yeah. So what? That computer is running Windows. So does
mine :-)" In a way it's much easier for niche marketers to do product
placement -- things that are out of place get noticed.
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From: Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:35:18 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:
>
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:30:19 -0400, Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> chose to bless us with this bit of wisdom:
>
> >
> >
> >Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:21:56 -0400, Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> chose to bless us with this bit of wisdom:
> >>
> >> >Timberwoof wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "samurai"
> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Facts don't really change anything for brainwashed Mac people. You
> >> >> > had to go to APPLE's web site and find the information for them...
> >> >> > and they will still go back to OSTRICH MODE. Damn capslock key (must
> >> >> > be my cheap beige keyboard).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --Samurai
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Mike Byrns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> > > Peter Ammon wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Mike Byrns wrote:
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > You mean Jeff Goldblume? The same Jeff Goldblume that has
> >> >> > > > > appeared in several Apple Computer television commercials? The
> >> >> > > > > one that's on the Apple payroll? Do you know that Apple pays
> >> >> > > > > big bucks in hollywood to get it's computers in "cool" movies
> >> >> > > > > like Independence Day?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > I don't believe you. Can you back this up?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Sure! Here you go.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > http://www.info.apple.com/pr/press.releases/1996/q3/960628.pr.rel.fo
> >> >> > > x.ht ml
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Heh.
> >> >>
> >> >> But for the rest of us Mac people who aren't brainwashed, facts work.
> >> >> What's the big deal about Apple paying for product placement? You know,
> >> >> if Apple *didn't* do that, someone somewhere would be throwing a hissy
> >> >> fit that Apple isn't following up this most obvious marketing technique.
> >> >
> >> >I take issue with the implication that Apple has to seek out producers
> >> >and ask them to add their machines. On the contrary, it looks as though
> >> >the producers are falling over themselves to get Macs into their films.
> >> >
> >> >-Peter
> >>
> >> Then please explain the purpose of the Apple Product Placement Team
> >> refered to in the article. If everyone is falling all over themselves
> >> why does Apple need a team dedicated to getting their products placed?
> >
> >At the very least, they need a team to interact with producers who want
> >to place their products.
>
> If you think that's all they're doing then you need to think again.
If you think that Apple doesn't need a team to interact with producers
who want to place Apple products, you need to think again.
>
> >
> >People were falling all over themselves to order Beta.
>
> Beta what? Betamax? Betacam?
Mac OS X Beta, of course.
>
> > By your logic, Apple should therefore have made no provisions to let people order
>Beta.
> > :-)
>
> I know of no Apple product called Beta for people to order.
> No doubt you think the sales force does nothing but sit on their asses
> all day and answer the phones since orders are pouring in at such a
> huge rate there's no need to actively sell.
I haven't seen Apple actively selling OS X Beta much. It seems to have
sold itself.
>
> >> Also the movies are a business not an Apple welfare office. Do you
> >> realy think that if Compaq made a better offer they'd turn them down?
> >
> >Yes, frankly, I do.
>
> Peter Ammon- Cornell student and RDF sufferer. Please give generously
> so that we may rid this poor boy of his affliction. Mail your checks
> to:
>
> The Peter Ammon Help Fund
> PO Box 104
> Middletown, IN 47356
I don't see why this is hard to accept. There's an image and a
symbolism associated with Apple that isn't there for Compaq or HP.
Producers can take advantage of that to help develop the characters and setting.
Here's an analogy. A man, tired from a hard day of work, is shown at a
drive through. He orders a burger, some fries, and a Coke. The
audience nods assent...they've been there before.
The next man orders a burger, some fries, and a Safeway Select Cola.
The audience looks confused.
-Peter
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From: Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:37:46 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mike Byrns wrote:
>
> Timberwoof wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "samurai"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > But for the rest of us Mac people who aren't brainwashed, facts
> > > > work. What's the big deal about Apple paying for product placement?
> > > > You know, if Apple *didn't* do that, someone somewhere would be
> > > > throwing a hissy fit that Apple isn't following up this most
> > > > obvious marketing technique.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I agree. It's just good marketing. I just wanted to point out the
> > > reality of business to the more naive posters. I wouldn't be
> > > surprised if MS really starts pumping dollars into a similar campaign
> > > - if they aren't already.
> >
> > I can already hear the boos and cackles form the audience.
> >
> > When a Mac appears in a movie or TV show, people recognize it. (VIP,
> > News Radio, that funny judge...) And it can do that just by being seen.
> > But when an ordinary PC appears, it's just a PC. How could Micorsoft
> > point out it's running Microsoft software without appearing amazingly
> > heavyhanded?
>
> I see non-descript as a reality booster. When I see Macs everywhere in
> movies I know it's not representative of reality. The reason that
> people tend to recognize them couldn't have anything to do with being
> the largest chunk of brightly colored plastic in the scene could it?
> :-) I think it's amazingly heavy handed of Apple to so blatantly place
> 90% of the computers in movies when they only represent 10% (I'm being
> generous :-).
Imagine a show about two crazy female roommates and their wacky
adventures. It makes sense to put a colorful iMac in their apartment,
since it fits with the theme.
What is Compaq's theme? I sure don't know.
-Peter
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:37:45 -0500
Mike Byrns wrote:
>
> You mean Jeff Goldblume? The same Jeff Goldblume that has appeared in
> several Apple Computer television commercials? The one that's on the
> Apple payroll? Do you know that Apple pays big bucks in hollywood to
> get it's computers in "cool" movies like Independence Day? I find it
> amusing how the Apple and Linux folks are so sucked in by ads and hype
> and don't even seem to realize their thoughts are not their own. :-)
True, apple is tha same as microsoft. I fail to see how linux
has anything to do with capitalist corporate propaganda
machines. Mac users are like pepsi radicals.
--
Tim Kelley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux to reach NT 3.51 proportions in next 2 years
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:02:14 -0500
Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
> It was the Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:21:09 -0500...
> ...and Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'd like to navigate into folders like I walk into a room
> > in Unreal Tournament.
>
> I, on the other hand, prefer being productive. Gee, the great thing
> about computers is that it's all at your fingertips and that you
> *don't* need to walk, drive or fly anywhere to get at it! Do you want
> to sacrifice that? The current desktop metaphor is already far too
> close to reality to be really comfortable (it gets cluttered just like
> a real desk).
>
> The last thing I want is a computer UI that does not only get
> cluttered, but where it's a drag to walk distances, too.
I get your point but who said you just don't "fly" very fast? I don't
think people organize things on the desktop metaphor too well. Or
computing environment it becoming too complex for a desktop full of
junk. I think that like items need to coalesce on their own perhaps
only as representations of the real storage so that I can "fly" into a
cluster of word processor documents and see all of them that I can
access, no matter where they are as easily as I can "fly" into a a
folder. I just don't think that 2D representation is enough anymore.
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