Linux-Hardware Digest #425, Volume #14 Fri, 2 Mar 01 01:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: USB Harddrives? (Frank Miller)
Re: CDROM on ide1 not seen (Frank Miller)
Re: USB Harddrives? (Frank Miller)
Java-Station(Krupps) PROLL-Binary available? (Konstantinos Agouros)
Re: Is the PCI bus going away? (Dances With Crows)
Re: External modem on ThinkPad (Dances With Crows)
Re: Is the PCI bus going away? ("D. Stimits")
Re: kernel oops... ("D. Stimits")
Tri sitovky a maskarada ("Radovan Chup��")
Harddisk suggestion ~ (Lee Hung Chiu)
Re: ASUS A7V133 (hac)
Boot Question: CPU and BIOS (Roger Anderson)
Re: Harddisk suggestion ~ (Roger Anderson)
Re: Harddisk performance ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Is the PCI bus going away? (hac)
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From: Frank Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: USB Harddrives?
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 03:13:30 GMT
John Hong wrote:
>
> Frank Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> Plus, what I've purchased was just a USB Hard drive enclosure.
> >> Meaning that I can stick any 3.5" IDE hard drive in there and use it like
> >> a removable media drive. When its full, I'll just stick in another hard
> >> drive. Nice little portable backup device to offload unnecessary files
> >> (ie. MP3's).
>
> >Where did you find this USB enclosure? Who made it?
>
> I simply made a Yahoo search for "USB Hard Drive" and two lines in
> particular came up. Initially I was searching for just a USB hard drive
> but discovered that there was such a thing as a USB hard drive enclosure.
> Initial cost is a little pricey, $99-120 depending on which one you get.
> The enclosure seemed to make the most sense instead of just getting a USB
> hard drive. Once the drive is full all I have to do is take it out and
> stick another in. Both companies (XtraDisk and USBGear USA) also make a
> 2.5" sized enclosure for Laptop hard drives.
> So far they say that it should take a max of a 80 GB IDE drive.
Thank you
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From: Frank Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CDROM on ide1 not seen
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 03:17:30 GMT
Stefano Ghirlanda wrote:
>
> "Rinaldi J. Montessi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Assuming your cd is installed correctly, do you have support built
> > in to your kernel?
>
> I have ATAPI CDROM support, yes. What should I do to dignose that the
> cd is installed correctly?
>
> --
> Stefano - Hodie Kalendis Martiis MMI est
If you are setting up as hdc why not jumper as master on the channel?
It works for me.
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From: Frank Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: USB Harddrives?
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 03:20:17 GMT
John Hong wrote:
>
> Frank Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> Plus, what I've purchased was just a USB Hard drive enclosure.
> >> Meaning that I can stick any 3.5" IDE hard drive in there and use it like
> >> a removable media drive. When its full, I'll just stick in another hard
> >> drive. Nice little portable backup device to offload unnecessary files
> >> (ie. MP3's).
>
> >Where did you find this USB enclosure? Who made it?
>
> I simply made a Yahoo search for "USB Hard Drive" and two lines in
> particular came up. Initially I was searching for just a USB hard drive
> but discovered that there was such a thing as a USB hard drive enclosure.
> Initial cost is a little pricey, $99-120 depending on which one you get.
> The enclosure seemed to make the most sense instead of just getting a USB
> hard drive. Once the drive is full all I have to do is take it out and
> stick another in. Both companies (XtraDisk and USBGear USA) also make a
> 2.5" sized enclosure for Laptop hard drives.
> So far they say that it should take a max of a 80 GB IDE drive.
Another thought> Do you have it working under Linux?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Konstantinos Agouros)
Subject: Java-Station(Krupps) PROLL-Binary available?
Date: 1 Mar 2001 21:25:49 +0100
HI,
I just tried to get my new Java-Station to boot LInux. Since it is a Krupps
I need Proll. However the only thing I found, was the sourcecode for Proll.
Since I neither have a cross compiler nor another Sparc-Machine running
Linux I would need a precompiled version of Proll to get this running.
Is this available somewhere?
Konstantin
--
Dipl-Inf. Konstantin Agouros aka Elwood Blues. Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Otkerstr. 28, 81547 Muenchen, Germany. Tel +49 89 69370185
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"Captain, this ship will not sustain the forming of the cosmos." B'Elana Torres
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Is the PCI bus going away?
Date: 2 Mar 2001 03:59:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 02 Mar 2001 01:51:29 GMT, jtnews staggered into the Black Sun
and said:
>"D. Stimits" wrote:
>> jtnews wrote:
>>> Is the PCI bus going away?
>>>
>>> I just bought 4 brand new computers this year, how long before I'm
>>> going to have to trash my brand new computers and buy new ones?
>>> Why can't Intel just extend PCI and make a faster version instead
>>> of coming up with something else that's totally incompatible?
>>> Can AMD make PCI faster so we all don't have to upgrade?
>>>
>>> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4995638.html?tag=lh
[snip D. Stimits' explanation of 64-bit PCI]
>But in the CNET article, Intel seems to be indicating that they want to
>phase out the PCI bus altogether!
0. ISA is dead, and has been since... oh, 1989 or so, when it became
clear that EISA or MCA or something was necessary.
1. You can still get boards with ISA slots.
2. That's pretty lively for a dead standard, isn't it?
3. Intel would like it if everyone used RAMBUS, too. Doesn't mean it's
going to happen.
4. C|Net is in the business of generating hits and ad revenue, so they
sensationalize everything.
5. Don't believe everything you read. Especially this message.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: External modem on ThinkPad
Date: 2 Mar 2001 04:00:40 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:48:35 -0800, John Dixon staggered into the Black
Sun and said:
>So...I had an Aopen M56-EX/2 external hardware modem unused, so decided
>to hook it up to the TP for home/office use.
>
>For some reason the ThinkPad doesn't recognize it...indeed, it doesn't
>seem to be scanning the serial ports at boot - as does my Desktop with
>the exact same Mandrake 7.2 distro running the 2.4.2 kernel. Is there
>something special that needs to be done to get a ThinkPad to recognize
>its serial port? BTW, this external modem is flawlessly detected by
>Win98 on this machine, and works perfectly.
Why would it need to scan the serial ports at boot time, if you're not
using a serial console? serial.o is almost always a module and loaded
on demand whenever you access /dev/ttyS* .
Anyway, Thinkpads are a little funny with some of their internal
devices. The serial port can be disabled and/or moved to a different
I/O and IRQ semi-permanently with PS2.EXE or its Doze equivalent. There
is a Linux utility that implements almost all of PS2.EXE's functionality
called "tpctl", and I suggest you go to freshmeat.net, search for that
utility, grab it and compile it, and see what it says about your serial
port. "tpctl --rsx" for info, "tpctl --rs1 PARAMETERS" for setting
things to sane values or enabling the port.
Can't provide much more guidance; my 380D had a hardware problem with
the serial port and my 600X's serial port Just Worked. Try
comp.os.linux.portable or possibly the mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED] if you remain stuck....
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:12:35 -0700
From: "D. Stimits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is the PCI bus going away?
I would have to agree with "Dances With Crows", PCI will be around a
LONG time, and Intel wants to start early on getting their opinion out.
Another thing is that the article doesn't say "replace", so much as
"supplant". Even if something new comes along, PCI will be there for a
long long time after.
jtnews wrote:
>
> But in the CNET article, Intel seems
> to be indicating that they want to phase out
> the PCI bus altogether!
>
> "D. Stimits" wrote:
> >
> > jtnews wrote:
> > >
> > > Is the PCI bus going away?
> > >
> > > I just bought 4 brand new computers
> > > this year, how long before I'm going
> > > to have to trash my brand new computers
> > > and buy new ones?
> > >
> > > Why can't Intel just extend PCI and make
> > > a faster version instead of coming up
> > > with something else that's totally incompatible?
> > >
> > > Can AMD make PCI faster so we all don't have to upgrade?
> > >
> > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4995638.html?tag=lh
> >
> > Intel and others have done exactly that, extend the PCI bus. Trouble is,
> > mainly only multiprocessor boards have it available. It's a 64 bit pci
> > bus, which used to be 32 bit. In addition, there is a 64 MHz clock on
> > that bus, instead of 33 MHz. Some of those buses (I wonder if that is
> > the correct spelling for plural of "bus" related to a computer bus?) are
> > dedicated to only the 66 MHz (and 3.3 volt) operation, and can't be used
> > with older cards, while others can detect and use whichever is plugged
> > in. On the ones that can detect, if any card in the bus is a slower
> > card, they all operate slower (on that bus). It isn't unusual for a
> > motherboard that supports this to have several slots with dedicated 64
> > bit/66 MHz bus, and a second bus that is flexible and can run with older
> > PCI cards. Basically these occur on high-end motherboard that support
> > either Ultra 160 SCSI or gigabit ethernet, since a normal PCI bus is
> > saturated by these. If you go hunting for motherboards with this bus,
> > beware that the IO-APIC of the i840 chipset is broken on Linux, and
> > needs to be deactivated to avoid heavy i/o failure. If you ever see 64
> > bit or 66 MHz as a PCI spec, you are seeing the next generation.
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:15:56 -0700
From: "D. Stimits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: kernel oops...
It doesn't seem too likely, but there have been a lot of bind exploits
hitting lately (and you mention running DNS). You might want to update
that if it is still out of date. A redhat URL on the subject:
5. Bug IDs fixed (http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla for more info):
25186 - Security problems
Full URL:
http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=25186
"Johannes B. Ullrich" wrote:
>
> I am having some weird problems with a web server of mine. Basically a
> vanilla K6-3 system. 2 IBM hard drives (software raid 1), linksys (Tulip)
> ethernet card, DFI motherboard, 256 MByte RAM,
>
> The machine was up for 400+ days under medium load, running a web/mail/dns
> server. All for sudden, I started to see the kenel dumps shown below. They
> go away for a while after
> a reboot. While different programs cause them, ksymoops always implicates
> the same virtual memory address: 0xffffe000.
>
> Any guesses?? I think its some peice of hardware going bad. But which? Where
> should I look next? The machine is colocated at an ISP, so I would like to
> do as much remote diagnosis as possible first.
>
> (sample oops and ksymoops output)
>
> Mar 1 20:52:57 server kernel: Unable to handle kernel paging request at
> virtual address 013b0067
> Mar 1 20:52:57 server kernel: current->tss.cr3 = 089e8000, %%cr3 = 089e8000
> Mar 1 20:52:57 server kernel: *pde = 00000000
> Mar 1 20:52:57 server kernel: Oops: 0000
> Mar 1 20:52:57 server kernel: CPU: 0
> Mar 1 20:52:57 server kernel: EIP: 0010:[remove_arg_zero+55/100]
> Mar 1 20:52:57 server kernel: EFLAGS: 00010206
> Mar 1 20:52:57 server kernel: eax: c3a31ba0 ebx: c3a31ba0 ecx: 00000001
> edx: 013b0003
> Mar 1 20:52:57 server kernel: esi: c3a31ba0 edi: cdeee8e0 ebp: 00000001
> esp: c5dbdf64
> Mar 1 20:52:57 server kernel: ds: 0018 es: 0018 ss: 0018
> Mar 1 20:52:57 server kernel: Process httpd (pid: 27277, process nr: 335,
> stackpage=c5dbd000)
> Mar 1 20:52:57 server kernel: Stack: ce8f5030 c012b827 cdeee8e0 c3a31ba0
> 00000001 ce8f5000 ce8f5000 083abac0
> Mar 1 20:52:57 server kernel: bffffae0 ce8f5022 0000000e 300182bd
> c012b8d8 ce8f5000 cdeee8e0 00000001
> Mar 1 20:52:57 server kernel: c5dbc000 083aa0b8 c0129952 083abac0
> 00000001 c5dbc000 083aa0b8 c0108fe8
> Mar 1 20:52:57 server kernel: Call Trace: [do_execve+135/480]
> [do_execve+312/480] [sys_mount+470/780] [restore_sigcontext+16/440]
> Mar 1 20:52:57 server kernel: Code: 8b 42 64 85 c0 74 50 83 78 2c 00 74 4a
> bb 00 e0 ff ff 21 e3
>
> Code; 00000000 Before first symbol
> 00000000 <_EIP>:
> Code; 00000000 Before first symbol
> 0: 8b 42 64 movl 0x64(%edx),%eax
> Code; 00000003 Before first symbol
> 3: 85 c0 testl %eax,%eax
> Code; 00000005 Before first symbol
> 5: 74 50 je 57 <_EIP+0x57> 00000057 Before
> first symbol
> Code; 00000007 Before first symbol
> 7: 83 78 2c 00 cmpl $0x0,0x2c(%eax)
> Code; 0000000b Before first symbol
> b: 74 4a je 57 <_EIP+0x57> 00000057 Before
> first symbol
> Code; 0000000d Before first symbol
> d: bb 00 e0 ff ff movl $0xffffe000,%ebx
> Code; 00000012 Before first symbol
> 12: 21 e3 andl %esp,%ebx
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From: "Radovan Chup��" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tri sitovky a maskarada
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:33:32 +0100
Mam takovy dotaz. Potreboval bych rozjet pod RED HATem tri sitovky, to se mi
podarilo pricemz je jedna na internet a dve na vnitrni site. Problem vsak je
jak rozchodit pres maskaradu obe sitovky ven, tak aby , tyhle dve sitovky
byli ve stejnym subnetu. Pokud jedna sitovka ma 192.168.2.1 a druha
192.168.3.1 tak vsechno jede , ale ja potrebuju aby byli treba 192.168.2.1 a
192.168.2.2. Jak na to. Diky za odpoved
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From: Lee Hung Chiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Harddisk suggestion ~
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:19:37 +0800
Dear All
i am going to build a linux system that mainly provide FTP and HTTP
service ~ maxium user will about 30 person/time . Which kind of harddisk
ide or scsi should i consider ? pls suggest ~
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From: hac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ASUS A7V133
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 05:56:16 GMT
optimator wrote:
>
> OK, Here is the deal....
>
> System Configuration:
> Motherboard - ASUS A7V133 (Bios 1002a.1)
> RAM - 512MB PC133
> HardDrive - Maxtor 30G ATA100
>
> Problem:
> I have tried installing both Redhat 7.0 and SuSe 7.1(Professional). They
> both
> seem to stall out during the install.
>
Well, I have an A7V133, 512MB RAM, and an older ATA66 Maxtor, and Red
Hat 6.2 works fine. It was already installed when I swapped the
motherboard in, though. Perhaps the difference is ATA66 vs ATA100.
Try changing the BIOS settings for the drive mode, disabling DMA, for
example. It's hard to troubleshoot without a system installed.
I'm steering clear of RH7 as long as they use a different version of
the compiler than everyone else.
--
Howard Christeller Irvine, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Roger Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Boot Question: CPU and BIOS
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:04:49 -0800
Hello All,
Reading about the boot process on x86 PCs. Here is my understanding of
the initial steps:
1. Power-on
2. CPU fetches and executes instruction at 0xfffffff0
3. Jump occurs to start of BIOS code
At this point, does the CPU execute the BIOS code? Does it hand control
over to the BIOS, essentially blocking until the BIOS returns? What
actually performs the work of reading the MBR, loading the boot sector?
The BIOS chip? Does the CPU execute BIOS code? What exactly is the BIOS?
Code? Chip? Is the CPU involved in the MBR read and boot sector load?
Does it wait until the BIOS returns to start executing LILO
instructions?
Hmm... No problems really. Just wanting to understand how this all
works.
- Roger
Roger Anderson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Roger Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Harddisk suggestion ~
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:10:20 -0800
Hello LHC,
SCSI drives perform better than IDE drives, especially in contexts where
multiple I/O operations are occuring somewhat simultaneously (eg. a
server). They are generally more reliable.
- Roger
Roger Anderson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lee Hung Chiu wrote:
>
> Dear All
>
> i am going to build a linux system that mainly provide FTP and HTTP
> service ~ maxium user will about 30 person/time . Which kind of harddisk
> ide or scsi should i consider ? pls suggest ~
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,alt.windows98,alt.windows-me,hk.comp.pc,microsoft.public.win98.setup
Subject: Re: Harddisk performance
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 06:02:37 GMT
On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:56:33 +0800, "Jerry Wong"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
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> charset="big5"
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>
>I want to install two harddisks in one IDE which supports ATA100. If one =
>of the harddisk is ATA100 and the other is ATA33, will the former one =
>work slower than that it should be due to the latter one?
Yes, both will work as ATA33.
Please don't use HTML but plain text.
(REMOVETHIS from e-mailaddress)
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From: hac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is the PCI bus going away?
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 06:06:35 GMT
jtnews wrote:
>
> Is the PCI bus going away?
>
> I just bought 4 brand new computers
> this year, how long before I'm going
> to have to trash my brand new computers
> and buy new ones?
>
> Why can't Intel just extend PCI and make
> a faster version instead of coming up
> with something else that's totally incompatible?
>
As others have pointed out, PCI has long supported 66MHz and 64 bit
versions. Don't make too much over Intel's failure to make chipsets
that handle that. They're not the only players - Apple and Sun use
PCI, too.
This is just to distract people from the idea that it's really the x86
that's going away...
--
Howard Christeller Irvine, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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